Immigrating to the UK

[Dave]

I have been researching all subjects that I'm passionate about for many years during my retirement. If I am not sure of the answer then I will not answer but do a proper research to be able to reply correctly. Emigration, Immigration, tax and cross border tax has been my major interest.


You say the discussion was about NI NUMBERS. What does that mean? All non EU immigrants have to pay a surcharge of £400 pa before the visa is accepted. Finish and klaar. Only once when accepted will you be able to apply for free state health care and given a number.

So I am an idiot to Google GOV.UK and https://www.freemovement.org.uk. That is where I get all my info from and the latter is the most prominent and well known immigration website in the UK.

Read this. I doubt you will as you know better.
https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/how-much-pay

If you were capable of rational thought (and read the posts before replying) you would see today’s discussion starts at

So being born in England back in 78, and moving to SA in 84 and never been back, I have what seems to be an old NHS number as I read on Wikipedia that new numbers were introduced in 96.

Can anybody advise on what I need to do with regards to my NHS number? Do I need to get a new number or do the old numbers still work? Would it be something I apply for now, or only once I immigrate?

And the discussion continues in relation to NHS numbers and NI numbers, how you get them and what they are required for.

You jump in feet first trying to look clever when you don’t even know what’s being discussed.

Try and stop being such an idiot, please...

So please stop throwing your toys out the cot now. I know what I'm talking about.

Yeah.... NO, you proven a number of times you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, other than living in Portugal and wanting to live in the UK.

 

[Dave]

nd https://www.freemovement.org.uk. That is where I get all my info from

There is one of the problems, people don’t really need you to be getting all your info from a random website, they’re asking for specific, accurate information, not Oopsie/Marco doing google-fu.

 

[krycor]

@signates. It has just come to my attention that university degrees completed in SA are not fully accepted in the UK. This may also be the case in Ireland. This is even if the course states that it is recognised internationally. You may have to do a bridging course for a few months or years.

Also duplicate documents signed by SAPS will not be accepted so it must be done by a "real" commissioner of oaths. I found this to be true in mainland Europe as well.

Most from UCT are.. but for medicine in particular docs, you need to apply and write and exam.

 

[The Voice]

@marco: yes, you're correct. All non-EU migrants have to pay £400 up front as an NHS "surcharge" when applying for their visas. This is simply a buffer to try and fill the gaping hole left in the system from decades of abuse. I arrived here 3 years ago, and only had to pay £200. My wife arrived 6 months before that, and had to pay £0 (the law changed before she arrived, but because her visa was issued a couple of months earlier, the surcharge didn't apply).

Note that this amount is in addition to what you HAVE to pay every month as an NI deduction as a migrant, and has to be paid before you even enter the UK. The NI deduction is the contribution/tax that everyone who works in the UK pays into the state coffers for benefits - that includes the NHS, state pension, UIF, etc. And everyone who works here (local or foreign citizen) HAS to pay to it. This is also in addition to having to pay income tax.

Note that if you arrive, start working and don't have an NI number, you will be charged emergency tax (at a much higher rate), but that you can claim most of it back when complete your first tax return.

 

[Dave]

yes, you're correct.

The info can be correct for a non-citizen arriving on a visa in the UK, but it isn’t correct in relation to what @AdrianH asked, as he is already a British citizen he will not he required to pay a surcharge. He will simply he issued with an NI number and go on his way to whatever he wants to do.

 

[marco]

Thank you @The Voice. The OP will have to do so but I would not under EU regulations. Nor would my wife. Unfortunately @Dave would not understand it.

 

[marco]

The info can be correct for a non-citizen arriving on a visa in the UK, but it isn’t correct in relation to what @AdrianH asked, as he is already a British citizen he will not he required to pay a surcharge. He will simply he issued with an NI number and go on his way to whatever he wants to do.

EXACTLY. You are correct for once and repeating what we have said over and over. A Brit does not need to pay a surcharge at all. He is a citizen after all. Not so?
However, if he imports a non EU spouse then the wife will have to pay the surcharge.

Seems that the later it gets the more clever you get. I normally get stupid with my cheap beer in Portugal.

 

[Dave]

EXACTLY. You are correct for once and repeating what we have said over and over. A Brit does not need to pay a surcharge at all. He is a citizen after all. Not so?
However, if he imports a non EU spouse then the wife will have to pay the surcharge.

FFS, Marco, there is NO spouse in the conversation. Just a query from a person who was born in the UK asking a question about his own case...

Is there a valid reason you can’t go back a page and read what today’s conversation was about? Are you really this dumb in the real world?

 

[The Voice]

No need to thank me. Was just pointing out the difference between the surcharge for non-EU/UK citizens, and NI for ALL citizens in the UK.

 

[cguy]

Most from UCT are.. but for medicine in particular docs, you need to apply and write and exam.

From what I’ve gathered, for general bachelors degrees, you technically need a SA 4-year degree to have the equivalent of an English 3 year degree (because the English education is typically 13+3 years, where in SA it would be 12+4) to be equivalent.

There are regions within the UK that also have the 12 year schooling, and also have 3+1 (degree plus honours) system (Eg, Scotland), so it’s not unfamiliar to them. They don’t “not recognize” a 3 year degree from SA, but it is considered a lower qualification than their 13+3.

In practice, many employers don’t really know the difference, so it hardly ever comes up as a requirements issue.

 

[marco]

FFS, Marco, there is NO spouse in the conversation. Just a query from a person who was born in the UK asking a question about his own case...

Is there a valid reason you can’t go back a page and read what today’s conversation was about? Are you really this dumb in the real world?

A new case would require a new thread. I was posting about @signates as a UK citizen and his non EU spouse as this is his thread.
I do not wish to argue with fools any longer.

 

[marco]

From what I’ve gathered, for general bachelors degrees, you technically need a SA 4-year degree to have the equivalent of an English 3 year degree (because the English education is typically 13+3 years, where in SA it would be 12+4) to be equivalent.

There are regions within the UK that also have the 12 year schooling, and also have 3+1 (degree plus honours) system (Eg, Scotland), so it’s not unfamiliar to them. They don’t “not recognize” a 3 year degree from SA, but it is considered a lower qualification than their 13+3.

In practice, many employers don’t really know the difference, so it hardly ever comes up as a requirements issue.

Great post and I will forward this info to my pal. The company accepted her qualifications but the HO did not.

 

[Dave]

A new case would require a new thread.

Who made you the forum police?

I was posting about @signates as a UK citizen and his non EU spouse as this is his thread.

If you aren’t capable of reading the discussion of the previous page or 2 before posting (and even quoting a post relating to the new discussion) then you really shouldn’t be allowed on the internet without supervision.

By the way, you haven’t even got the circumstances of Signates’ case correct, you idiot.

I do not wish to argue with fools any longer.

Stop looking in the mirror then, you’re one of the biggest fools on the this forum, aren’t you? Oopsie?

I can now see why the Marco username was originally banned on the old forum with all the crap you talk on the forum.

 

[The Voice]

Don't think it's been mentioned yet, but the NHS surcharge is £400 PER YEAR for the length of your stay/visa.

 

[marco]

Don't think it's been mentioned yet, but the NHS surcharge is £400 PER YEAR for the length of your stay/visa.

As with me, the previous pages have not been read and the surcharge has been dealt with by all but Dave.

 

[Dave]

As with me, the previous pages have not been read and the surcharge has been dealt with by all but Dave.

Dig dig dig, you just don’t know when to stop.

You’ve looked like a fool with all the false info you’ve tried to pass off as genuine/personal experience but you don’t know when to show a little humility and just stop posting in a thread you have no real knowledge about, do you?



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By the way, @marco if you ever actually make it to the UK and fancy a beer I noticed when I was in Lidl today you can get a 4x440ml pack of beers for £2.79. 4.8% strength as well, should lubricate your late night browsing quite well .

 

[AdrianH]

I have a very serious question. Do you get Lays in UK? I tried some Walkers, but they aren't the same.

 

[Spizz]

I have a very serious question. Do you get Lays in UK? I tried some Walkers, but they aren't the same.

You don’t get Lays, but I reckon Walkers are exactly the same. Some different flavours perhaps but basically identical size, style and taste.

And Walkers prawn cocktail ftw

 

[Dave]

I have a very serious question. Do you get Lays in UK? I tried some Walkers, but they aren't the same.

Walkers and Lays are different brands of the same company iirc, Walkers is the prominent brand in the supermarkets but there are a few other brands available (and supermarket own brands) that you may prefer. No Lays branded crisps though, as Spizz has said.

 

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