Informal Telkom Meeting

RPM you are the MAN!

A lot of negative sentiment has been given in this thread, but I definately see it as all positive. As was said, even if Telkom has got something up their sleave, it still means that we have their attention, and that says a lot. I also think this meeting is possibly a forerunner of some announcement they will be making in August, maybe to test the waters, who knows, but still that is a good thing.

It don't matter if they wanna say, in a press release, that they are having discussions with MaADSL, it just gives this forum more publicity, so more people will become more informed - a way good thing. I choose to believe that Telkom has realised that we are not gonna dissapear like mist in the sun, and that they have to start playing nice before the SNO comes in. So if they wanna suck up, let them. It can only be good for us.

RPM for pres!
 
just btb, now telkom can claim they do have a relationship with myadsl, and I still havent seen or heard anything from icasa, so there might be a pending ruling.

now that they have communicated with rpm, chances are icasa will take that in consideration and not "bite" them as hard (well how hard can a dog without teeth really bite anyway)

so ye...
 
Telkom knows that MyADSL is a very transparent group.

They know that the meetings will be reported on.

They know that MyADSL is made up of a diversity second to none which will smell the least bit of scheming and make it public.

I believe Telkom was forced to start such talks due to public opinion (and their stand at ICASA that they did speak to MyADSL)

I believe the risk is minimal, but the fruits could be substantial.
 
I think the move is a direct result of the recent negative press that the have recieved. The more people hear, the less they like what they are hearing, and this has to have an adverse affect on Telkom and its attempt to portray itself as a good South African company. The truth hurts.
Any new direct communication channel is good news, whether they listen or not.
Good work.
 
I remember some two years ago Stevie Wyte referred to myadsl as a "small bunch of disgruntled users".

gud on u rpm.
 
I personally do not trust telskum, but if these meets can help us with reducing prices then great. I just think that after the stunt they pulled after ICASA made them drop their prices and they just decided to only slightly drop prices and then implement a local cap, they can not be trusted...period. Which is why I suggest caution :). And yes, there is probably nothing for us to lose by meeting with them and a lot to gain.So, RPM, good luck.Hope you can make them see some reason.
RPM for telskum CEO :)
 
WTF? Establishing an open channel of communications?
Forgive my ignorance -
lets see - click on register.
type teklom_support as the username.
enter a password.
click submit.

See how difficult that waz - look at voda's example.
I say show them how it's done and then tell them to goanfthemselvez.
 
I agree with Stoke ... Username : Xolisa_Vapi Password : ******* , then submit. Then we can talk properly .... very easy ... :D
 
lucifir said:
I personally do not trust telskum, but if these meets can help us with reducing prices then great.
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They will not help. Fullstop. This is just a PR/damage-control move on their part. I mean, think about it, it's not as if Telkom doesn't KNOW what needs to change. They know perfectly well, and there is nothing anyone on this forum can tell them that they don't already know. They just don't want to change. Only thing that will make Telkom reduce prices is, well, anything that 'hits them where it hurts'. Does anyone really think we can make Telkom reduce their prices? Sure, I can see it now:

Xolisa: "So, what are the grievances of the users on MyADSL?"
RPM: "Your extremely high prices and poor service."
Xolisa: "Gosh, I was not aware of those issues! We'll begin at once implementing price reductions and improving our service. Thanks RPM!"

Ya right. Quite frankly I don't even see the point of meeting with them. As I said, they already know what needs to be fixed, now they must just fix it, and there is nothing to say really (at least as far as I can tell).

I'm very wary of this "opening up a channel of communication" story. This is a typical "divide and conquer" strategy - pretend to want to make peace with your enemy, and to want to 'work together' to 'move forward'. Your enemy will predictably be split into two divided camps - half that are 'trusting' and think your offer is genuine, the other half distrustful and arguing against it. Sentech pulled this exact same s*** on this forum a while back, and it was a PR coup for them - the protesting users ended up infighting so badly, that nobody did anything while Sentech issued a press release claiming that they had worked together with the forum members and addressed the grievances (which they had not). So just be cautious, and keep in mind that this is just a PR move from their side, their billions in profits are priority #1 to them. Even every moment we spend discussing this illusion of "making progress" is time/energy not going to actually tackling the problems anymore.
 
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I'm with Turtle on this. There was a similar exploitation of forum contact, re-spun by Sentech in the past in the media.

However, as Telkom is the kingy kingster of pseudo legal tactics - here's my suggestion:

Dig out a standard ('non disclosure') pre-meeting agreement, in which it sets out that that Telkom will be liable for specified and serious damages, should it release or refer to any information whatsoever, in any form via itself or its agents, about contact with this Forum. (So ahead of any meeting, lock Telkom contractually, to a total embargo on any references anywhere, mentioning contact with this Forum.)

Once that is signed, then meet with them. If they refuse to sign - then that tells you that we've removed the only reason they wanted to 'meet' in the first place - purely as a PR exercise.

I've signed my share of secrecy (non-disclosure) agreements - its nothing that unusual in business. Ask the one or two lawyers on chan to supply a standard non disclosure form, and use that to lock Telkom into total public silence, ahead of any meeting - and see how they cope with being faced with a clear binding legal agreement that removes any potential PR benefit to them.
This ought to drive them completely nuts, as they can't really refuse (without showing their intention) and they can't really accept it either, (as it provides them with no PR benefit)
 
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