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Well actually I do rendering with Max so it does use dual core support etc.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_conroe_benchmarks/
Some cool benchmarks.
whatever happens, you can be sure that conroe is a pretty good step up from the current intel line of products, enough to convert the loyal gaming amd fanboys to intel chips for the forthcoming year or so.
give you an example.
amd opteron 285 (dual core cpu, 2.6ghz) X 2 of them on a supermicro board, with 2gb registered ddr vs conroe x6800 on an intel bad axe 975xbx with 2gb ddr2.
3dmark06 cpu score
opterons=a tad over 3000 (that's 4 dedicated cores)
conroe=2871 (dual core)
so, the dual, dual core opterons (4 real amd cpu's, 2.6ghz) beat the conroe x6800 (dual core, 2.93ghz) by less than 5%
the opterons were $1k each, so $2k worth of cpu. the conroe was $1k.
never mind the cost of the fsking supermicro mb.
to be fair to both parties, and i am not in allegiance to any one camp, amd is going to get creamed, and everybody knows it.
give you an example.
amd opteron 285 (dual core cpu, 2.6ghz) X 2 of them on a supermicro board, with 2gb registered ddr vs conroe x6800 on an intel bad axe 975xbx with 2gb ddr2.
3dmark06 cpu score
opterons=a tad over 3000 (that's 4 dedicated cores)
conroe=2871 (dual core)
so, the dual, dual core opterons (4 real amd cpu's, 2.6ghz) beat the conroe x6800 (dual core, 2.93ghz) by less than 5%
the opterons were $1k each, so $2k worth of cpu. the conroe was $1k.
never mind the cost of the fsking supermicro mb.
to be fair to both parties, and i am not in allegiance to any one camp, amd is going to get creamed, and everybody knows it.
i tell you what beta, get me a K8L and i can compare it.
for the time being, that is how it stands. the best i could find amd wise vs the best i could find intel wise.
and, for the foreseeable future, those chips are the best YOU will be able to find, so the comparison is very valid to anybody who wants to buy something in the next 6 months-1yr. AM2 is not revolutionary enough.
when the K8L is semi-available (=not a number on a piece of paper), I'll do some tests.
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p.s. in case you didnt know, opterons are skt940, not 939
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for the time being, that is how it stands. the best i could find amd wise vs the best i could find intel wise.
and, for the foreseeable future, those chips are the best YOU will be able to find, so the comparison is very valid to anybody who wants to buy something in the next 6 months-1yr. AM2 is not revolutionary enough.
when the K8L is semi-available (=not a number on a piece of paper), I'll do some tests.
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p.s. in case you didnt know, opterons are skt940, not 939
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ok, tell me, what shall i compare it to? something that doesnt exist?
or, if it makes you happy...the above WASNT a comparison, it was merely two random benchies put side by side..I am biased, superman hates me and the world is coming to an end.
and next year, when something good comes out from amd, and intel hasnt released something else, then sure, compare it to conroe.
it isnt a case of comparing to show who's bits are bigger and more dangly, but to show what the ultimate cpu performance available to the home user is, irrespective of the manufacturer.
or, if it makes you happy...the above WASNT a comparison, it was merely two random benchies put side by side..I am biased, superman hates me and the world is coming to an end.
and next year, when something good comes out from amd, and intel hasnt released something else, then sure, compare it to conroe.
it isnt a case of comparing to show who's bits are bigger and more dangly, but to show what the ultimate cpu performance available to the home user is, irrespective of the manufacturer.
why?Beta said:
and if it isnt right, then what would you like me to compare it to? (wait...havent i asked this already)
i'm not uptight melearned friend, just wondering why the comparison is invalid. was it because the amd kit cost twice as much yet was 5% quicker? or was it because the amd stuff was old technology, cost twice as much and was 5% quicker? or was it because amd do not have a cpu out (K8L) so I am not allowed to compare it?
as far as I am concerned, I went out got the quickest amd **** available to test against the new conroe. every site does that when new stuff comes out...like comparing 7900gtx to x1900xtx (when the x1900 was "old technology" and the 7900gtx was the new boy on the block)
please, help me to understand *what* would be a valid comparison against conroe. And I do mean something tangible, that preferably plugs into a socket of some sort and can be bought.
hehe...
Sure there is no 65nm part to compare to Conroe(which is a beast),I agree completely.
However,given the trend of all previous AMD-Intel competition,it is likely right to assume that AMD's 65nm part will have an advantage over Intels.....
All I'm saying is that while there is no part to compare at this time,it is not right to compare 65nm to 90nm for obvious reasons.This would be like comparing the weight of a 80Kg object to that of a 60Kg object....
You must agree my point is valid.
Sure there is no 65nm part to compare to Conroe(which is a beast),I agree completely.
However,given the trend of all previous AMD-Intel competition,it is likely right to assume that AMD's 65nm part will have an advantage over Intels.....
All I'm saying is that while there is no part to compare at this time,it is not right to compare 65nm to 90nm for obvious reasons.This would be like comparing the weight of a 80Kg object to that of a 60Kg object....
You must agree my point is valid.
i agree they are different with regards the fabrication process.
the also look different, taste different, one has 940pins, one doesnt have any pins, they come in different boxes etc
why arent you b1tching over ddr vs ddr2? is it because there is no real diff in performance? after all, they are different technologies also. the opterons use ddr, conroe=ddr2. maybe there will be no real diff in performance when 65nm vs 90nm showdown arrives? i know prescotts werent any quicker than the northwoods, and they use diff nm. but maybe that is just intel. going down to lower nm does NOT guarantee a performance boost..
but that is the point, comparing different stuff to see which is better right now.
for all u know, amd goes bust in a week and then voila, we are no longer allowed to compare conroe, eh? lol see my point?
anyway, lets shake hands, i am sure if you could do the comparison yourself you would be happy to post the numbers. loadsa websites are doing conroe vs fx60 etc because there is nothing much else to compare it to. give me credit for rounding up two opteron 285 and taking the effort to see what happens eh? ktnks.
the also look different, taste different, one has 940pins, one doesnt have any pins, they come in different boxes etc
why arent you b1tching over ddr vs ddr2? is it because there is no real diff in performance? after all, they are different technologies also. the opterons use ddr, conroe=ddr2. maybe there will be no real diff in performance when 65nm vs 90nm showdown arrives? i know prescotts werent any quicker than the northwoods, and they use diff nm. but maybe that is just intel. going down to lower nm does NOT guarantee a performance boost..
but that is the point, comparing different stuff to see which is better right now.
for all u know, amd goes bust in a week and then voila, we are no longer allowed to compare conroe, eh? lol see my point?
anyway, lets shake hands, i am sure if you could do the comparison yourself you would be happy to post the numbers. loadsa websites are doing conroe vs fx60 etc because there is nothing much else to compare it to. give me credit for rounding up two opteron 285 and taking the effort to see what happens eh? ktnks.
Just to add one or two things for anyone reading:
Obvious advantages of 65nm over 90nm:
Increased capacity
Lower power consumption
Speed/performance increase(as werner said,no exact numbers)
Didn't mean to sound as if I was contradicting you werner,just wanted to add my point of view.
As for DDR2,from what I can see the lat's should go down through the year,which should compensate if only slightly,but DDR3 will be great.
Obvious advantages of 65nm over 90nm:
Increased capacity
Lower power consumption
Speed/performance increase(as werner said,no exact numbers)
Didn't mean to sound as if I was contradicting you werner,just wanted to add my point of view.
As for DDR2,from what I can see the lat's should go down through the year,which should compensate if only slightly,but DDR3 will be great.
in case anybody is wondering, here are amd's plans for this year
http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/2007q1[1].jpg
so maybe next year we can see a conroe competitor, but for the next six months that intel cpu is in the lead. by scaling the performance you will need an amd fx cpu at 3.4/3.6 ghz to beat the conroe 2.93.
yet intel plans a conroe 3.33 x edition before the end of this year, so start eating hats and stuff, becuase the old boy is actually stirring some life into it's products.
this is good for everybody, prices should drop, amd will wake up and produce better chips etc (quad cores)...lovely times ahead for everybody
http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/2007q1[1].jpg
so maybe next year we can see a conroe competitor, but for the next six months that intel cpu is in the lead. by scaling the performance you will need an amd fx cpu at 3.4/3.6 ghz to beat the conroe 2.93.
yet intel plans a conroe 3.33 x edition before the end of this year, so start eating hats and stuff, becuase the old boy is actually stirring some life into it's products.
this is good for everybody, prices should drop, amd will wake up and produce better chips etc (quad cores)...lovely times ahead for everybody
Don't know what you'll on about
But lithographic process is no indication on performance or anything at all.
That an ASIC is 90nm pr 130nm has no bearing on its performance when compared to another part. You can talk abot performance/mm. But then of course a smaller process is better, however that is because with a smaller process you're likley to keep the same level of work/cycle or increase it.
So maybe the best comparison is the simplest one: clock for clock, in this case Conroe is licking Anything and everything AMD has.
One also can't say when AMD moves to 65nm they will be faster. The one doesn't really have anything to do with the other.
two companies can have a 65nm proceses that are still different from one another. One may chose to use a strained process like SOI, the other Low-K, some may chose to use a standard process. It depends on yields, target clock speed, etc...
When AMD moved to 130nm with T-Bred it was hardly faster than their 180nm Palomino core, while intel had already been on 130nm for some time and they were faster
AMD AM2 vs Conroe are fair comparisons, because its best against best. Right now AM2 is AMD's premier platform for the consumer and so is Conroe for Intel.
Call me a skeptic, but I'm not sure how much faster K8L will be. It may add 10% on AM2 numbers, but considering that conroe is 25% faster, K8L will still be 15% slower. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think AMD really knows right now what to do with Conroe.
I know for sure though, I'm going Core 2 Duo ASAP!
But lithographic process is no indication on performance or anything at all.
That an ASIC is 90nm pr 130nm has no bearing on its performance when compared to another part. You can talk abot performance/mm. But then of course a smaller process is better, however that is because with a smaller process you're likley to keep the same level of work/cycle or increase it.
So maybe the best comparison is the simplest one: clock for clock, in this case Conroe is licking Anything and everything AMD has.
One also can't say when AMD moves to 65nm they will be faster. The one doesn't really have anything to do with the other.
two companies can have a 65nm proceses that are still different from one another. One may chose to use a strained process like SOI, the other Low-K, some may chose to use a standard process. It depends on yields, target clock speed, etc...
When AMD moved to 130nm with T-Bred it was hardly faster than their 180nm Palomino core, while intel had already been on 130nm for some time and they were faster
AMD AM2 vs Conroe are fair comparisons, because its best against best. Right now AM2 is AMD's premier platform for the consumer and so is Conroe for Intel.
Call me a skeptic, but I'm not sure how much faster K8L will be. It may add 10% on AM2 numbers, but considering that conroe is 25% faster, K8L will still be 15% slower. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think AMD really knows right now what to do with Conroe.
I know for sure though, I'm going Core 2 Duo ASAP!
I agree with ShockG. The competitions usually come in phases. Like intel were number one then AMD had the upper hand and now I think Intel once again have the upper hand. It's like Nvidia and ATI.
But definately judging from tests and hype, the Core 2 Duo is gonna be a way better chip by far. Cooler and faster. That's just my thoughts.
I'm definately going Core 2 Duo as soon as it comes out
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Opterons do come in Socket 939 !
Ofcourse as always I agree with ShockG.
Ofcourse as stated in my 3 advantages of 65nm,there are 2 glaring advantages,the third(speed) is not a given however it is generally accepted.
In my case I cannot buy a CPU and board every six months,so my purchase will be made early next year when this setup has been used sufficiently,that is when I will make decisions.
Next year is a whole other ball game,however nobody has a crystal ball,everything moves so fast.
Edit:I have a 939 Opty.
Ofcourse as stated in my 3 advantages of 65nm,there are 2 glaring advantages,the third(speed) is not a given however it is generally accepted.
In my case I cannot buy a CPU and board every six months,so my purchase will be made early next year when this setup has been used sufficiently,that is when I will make decisions.
Next year is a whole other ball game,however nobody has a crystal ball,everything moves so fast.
Edit:I have a 939 Opty.