Intel Core 2 Duo

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incubate said:
I agree with ShockG. The competitions usually come in phases. Like intel were number one then AMD had the upper hand and now I think Intel once again have the upper hand. It's like Nvidia and ATI.

But definately judging from tests and hype, the Core 2 Duo is gonna be a way better chip by far. Cooler and faster. That's just my thoughts.

I'm definately going Core 2 Duo as soon as it comes out :D

Not anymore I am afraid. Intel must have changed the plan, nailing AMD for once and all.

See 7800, 7900, 7900x2, 7950 x2 and soon to be 8000 series graphics
Also X2 processors, Core duo, Core 2 Duo...etc

All in short time span!!!!!!!

Am2 will be here next week price still unknown
ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe/WiF AM2 is available nearly sold out already, yet no AM2's. Typical AMD!
 

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Pupa,DDR2 is like AM2....calm before the storm.
Next year is the year.
 

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all you guys with skt939 opterons are gays:)
last century phoned, they want their opterons back.

okay, lol...just a joke.
Just as a moot point, all you guys are agreeing with ShockG, I understand he is a bit respected, but he is basically agreeing with me....yet you left me alone to fight the good fight, sies man.
 

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The eternal struggle of the giants!
AMD VS. Intel
This battle will go on for ages.
EDIT: BTW werner, everyone knows Conroe is a beast,sub 10s 1M Pi times etc etc....everyone agrees,but that is not the whole story yet,you can't honestly think there won't be a (real)reply from AMD.
 
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of course there will be!!!! bliksem, how can anybody think otherwise!!!

the question is: when? and if it is only after everybody's next upgrade cycle, perhaps after vista, then it will hurt amd quite badly.

my non-comparative benchmarks were to be used to highlight what the next six months or so have in store. I hope amd replies, I really do. And strongly too. I put whatever works best into my machine, no fanboism.
 

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Beta said:
Pupa,DDR2 is like AM2....calm before the storm.
Next year is the year.
Exactly, that is an mild AMD effort but it still is not bad now! I am not an AMD fan at all, I prefer Intel but next year Intel will smother AMD, mark my post!
 
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...,you can't honestly think there won't be a (real)reply from AMD.
There is the catch as Werner said, When? Intel already on 65nm aiming to inprove, Flooding the market with cheap performance Mobos and CPU's catering for everyone. I do not believe AMD has an Answer as Yet and if so they will play catch up rugby for the next few years. Intel is pissed off with them. IMHO So are Nvidia at AMD/ATI too! So!.........?????????
 

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pupa said:
There is the catch as Werner said, When? Intel already on 65nm aiming to inprove, Flooding the market with cheap performance Mobos and CPU's catering for everyone. I do not believe AMD has an Answer as Yet and if so they will play catch up rugby for the next few years. Intel is pissed off with them. IMHO So are Nvidia at AMD/ATI too! So!.........?????????
Nvidia pissed off with AMD? why? :confused:

And it's true that AMD will have to play catch up again, but remember, that's what Intel's been doing the past few years, and they've finally made a comeback, so why wouldn't AMD do so aswell within a year or so?
 

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it should be amd p1ssed off with nvidia.
amd chips have always struggled for decent chipsets...via and sis have earned not too godd a reputation, but amd chips really started to shine when nforce came around.

fast forward to 2006 and nvidia are making chipsets for intel machines. and intel can generate a lot more business for them, so in all likelihood nvidia will devote more resources to developing the intel chipsets and voila, amd get the hump with them.

rumours are that amd want to buy ati or vice versa or whatever. the idea is to get the gpu integrated into the cpu. we will see how this pans out. various sites say it is bullsh1t, amd and ati say it is bullsh1t but there is no smoke when there isnt fire.

perhaps the future (rubs his crystal ball) will see an nvidia+intel combo cpu/gpu fighting an amd/ati combo chip.
Consumers FTW!
 

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werner said:
rumours are that amd want to buy ati or vice versa or whatever. the idea is to get the gpu integrated into the cpu. we will see how this pans out. various sites say it is bullsh1t, amd and ati say it is bullsh1t but there is no smoke when there isnt fire.
It is BS. It was just some analyst that said it would make sense for AMD to merge with ATI.

I doubt AMD is pissed with Nvidia, the only reason Nvidia started making chipsets for Intel was so that the Intel fanboys could also get SLI. I think Nvidia's main focus is still making chipsets for AMD.

Then again Im just guessing :eek: :cool:
 

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the only reason Nvidia started making chipsets for Intel was so that the Intel fanboys could also get SLI. I think Nvidia's main focus is still making chipsets for AMD.

Then again Im just guessing :eek: :cool:

not too sure on your sli point. Intel motherboards have had multiple sli x16 (physical connector) slots for a while now...my intel 955xbk and my intel 975xbx both have these, in fact the 975xbx has 3 x16 (physical connector)(boundless gaming anyone:) ) slots. It was more of a licensing issue as I understand it.

the only fly in the ointment is the sheer volume of chipsets that intel can shift on a monthly basis...nvidia would be plain stupid to concentrate on amd when the intel money is waiting for them.

sorry to say this, but intel have been sleeping for the last 4 years, yet, somehow, it seems like a spider, slowly spinning a web, and now the trap is starting to spring.
 

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not too sure on your sli point. Intel motherboards have had multiple sli x16 (physical connector) slots for a while now...my intel 955xbk and my intel 975xbx both have these, in fact the 975xbx has 3 x16 (physical connector)(boundless gaming anyone:) ) slots. It was more of a licensing issue as I understand it.

the only fly in the ointment is the sheer volume of chipsets that intel can shift on a monthly basis...nvidia would be plain stupid to concentrate on amd when the intel money is waiting for them.
True :eek:

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sorry to say this, but intel have been sleeping for the last 4 years, yet, somehow, it seems like a spider, slowly spinning a web, and now the trap is starting to spring.
Well lets just hope AMD starts spinning like there aint no tomorrow, cos if they dont, they there wont be a tomorrow for them :cool:
 

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Well, unlike what I used to think before, all four of these companies are very good at seperating issues. I suppose so many zeros exchanging hands etc, have a tendency of making people sober.

AMD is only interested in nvidia so long as they can make them look good. What else nvidia does on the side with intel is not really of their concern.
Intel provides most of the chipsets that drive their CPU's and as a result Intel is par non the best when it comes to chipsets fot their CPU's.

AMD is not a large enough part of the market to give NVIDIA a useful hold over the desktop chipset market. By making chipsets for Intel, their market share can only grow. For core logic developers like NV and ATI, their primary concern is how many desktop PCs they can get into, irrespective of be it an Intel or AMD machine. NVIDA has saturated the AMD market with many of their chipsets and the last thing they want is to make it seem their technologies are tied to AMD, espcialy if AMD is not the premier platfrom anymore like it is now with AM2. After all, should AMD go up in flames tomorrow, that would be the end of NVIDIA in chipsets and the end to their SLI technology. :/

Not a situation nvidia would want to fins themselves in.
ATI does not have this problem because they were already supplying chipsets for intel CPUs for year on end.

Maybe all we can do is wait and see how this plays out, because I dont believ any of use other than these companies know what is really cooking and how their relationships are structured. Whi knows NV Chipset eng. team might very well hate working with AMD's CPU but do it because it makes business sense :/

Cant wait 'rill price reductions though from both IHVs. Cheap fast PCs are never a bad thing :D
 

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Intel Core Duo = Yonah architecture = available now.
Intel Core Duo 2 = Merom Architecture = launched September - launch date been delayed according speculations.


I doubt AMD is pissed with Nvidia, the only reason Nvidia started making chipsets for Intel was so that the Intel fanboys could also get SLI. I think Nvidia's main focus is still making chipsets for AMD.

Werner is 100 correct, the only issue is licensing. Intel not officially licensed to implement SLi technology on their motherboards. They have 16x PCi-eX lanes available on their mobos, but no SLi drivers/chipsets, up to now.

I believe this will change with launch of Conroe.
 
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Does anyone know if you have to get a new motherboard specifically for this new chip or will the latest 975x motherboards support it? The reason being is that I want to build up my PC slowly but figured that it might just be better to wait till the new chip comes out. I don't know, what's everyones thoughts?
 

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incubate the current 975x boards do not support core duo, maybe with some modifications but its not worth it, the only core duo board out now is the Intel 975 badaxe rev 304, the others will be released shortly
 

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incubate said:
Does anyone know if you have to get a new motherboard specifically for this new chip or will the latest 975x motherboards support it? The reason being is that I want to build up my PC slowly but figured that it might just be better to wait till the new chip comes out. I don't know, what's everyones thoughts?

Conroe supported motherboards.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101408
 

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Most, if not all 975 boards should support Conroe with only a bios upgrade.

Best to actually wait a short while to see which mobo manufacturers actually provide these bios patches......not all will do it, even if they can - generate more revenue of "new products" ....
 

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I see someone mentioned the dual core 8xx series intel chips. What about the 9xx series? They have 2x 2mb cache per core + HT.

Another thing, my brother recently aquired a d805 chip (2.66Ghz) and over clocked it to 3.4Ghz (can't go higer due to memory/motherboard issue). This cpu kicked all AMD cpu's in benchmarks.

Tomshardware had a article about htis cpu, where they managed to overclock it to 4.1Ghz, beating everything out in the field. (CPU is about R1000 vs R6000+ for AMD)
 
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