Intel vs AMD

[hj2k_x]

lol... but looking at the amd's now, and they dirt cheap! you can get a amd 5200 for like R2200. and thats a better price than an e6400(R2400 at best), and the fact that the am2 mobo's are seriously cheap, which leaves you more cash for memory or graphics

Agreement. The 5200 now goes for as little as R1700 since the price cuts...

 

[scotty777]

well thats the price of a e6300 and the 5200 will trounce the e6300 (stock of coarse), so i don't see why people are so blind to see that amd have some cheap products that are uber power full. the funny thing is i read that any thing above a 5400 won't bottle neck a nvidia 8800gtx, so if you got a more powerfull cpu, it's a waste, and if you get the 5200 just overclock

 

[hj2k_x]

well thats the price of a e6300 and the 5200 will trounce the e6300 (stock of coarse), so i don't see why people are so blind to see that amd have some cheap products that are uber power full. the funny thing is i read that any thing above a 5400 won't bottle neck a nvidia 8800gtx, so if you got a more powerfull cpu, it's a waste, and if you get the 5200 just overclock

How well do the 5200's overclock then?

 

[The_Techie]

i read that any thing above a 5400 won't bottle neck a nvidia 8800gtx, so if you got a more powerfull cpu, it's a waste, and if you get the 5200 just overclock

That's weird, because I read that even a Core2Quad is a bottleneck for that card? Someone's been lied to

 

[hj2k_x]

That's weird, because I read that even a Core2Quad is a bottleneck for that card? Someone's been lied to

I was also reading something along those lines. Maybe it is not the monster it has been made out to be.

 

[ShockG]

Bottleneck is dependent on many factors. At 2048x1536 16xCSAA sure its easy to reach GPU limitation in almost every game. At 1280x1024 16xAF it's a different story...

 

[The_Techie]

I think most CPUs would run out of grunt WAAAAY before you reach the GPU limitation at those details.

 

[ShockG]

the other way round. If you start at those settings there's not going to be a difference between X2 3800+ and X6800

 

[The_Techie]

So at 1280x1024 my PC will perform just as well as my friend's PC (who has a X6800 rather than my 3800+) if we both have 8800GTX's?!

Somehow that just doesn't make sense, especially in games such as Counter-Strike Source which is MUCH more CPU-dependant than GPU...

 

[ShockG]

depends on game really, but CPU limitation rears its head at the lower resolutions while GPU limitation happens at the higher res and filtering modes where bandwidth, fill-rate and such become a factor.

at those SXGA resolutions with 8x SSAA and 16xAF, the CPUs will perform the same. While at the lower res the CPUs will vastly differ.

 

[KReeCha]

AMD CPUS have are better quality and more efficiant than an intel's CPU of the same processing speed, which is why an AMD Cpu clocked in at 2.4GHZ is equal in performance to a 3.4GHZ intel CPU...AMD way greater than INTEL and slightly more expensive than intel!!

 

[nihilist]

You can't really compare CPUs by clock speed. Technology and instruction differences are compareable, and price.

Let's say for example, I have a P3 1Ghz and I have a P4 1ghz. Obviously the P4 is going to beat the crap out of the P3.

Newer cores will have better instruction and more efficient methods for code execution.

AMD CPUS have are better quality and more efficiant than an intel's CPU of the same processing speed, which is why an AMD Cpu clocked in at 2.4GHZ is equal in performance to a 3.4GHZ intel CPU...AMD way greater than INTEL and slightly more expensive than intel!!

 

[killadoob]

a 2 ghz amd 3000+ plus used to beat a 3.2ghz p4 in games

speed isnt everything

 

[supersunbird]

You can't really compare CPUs by clock speed. Technology and instruction differences are compareable, and price.

Let's say for example, I have a P3 1Ghz and I have a P4 1ghz. Obviously the P4 is going to beat the crap out of the P3.

Newer cores will have better instruction and more efficient methods for code execution.

Cute... BUT WRONG!!!

The P3 would beat a P4 at the same speed, especially if both were using PC133 RAM.

 

[nihilist]

I don't see the reasoning behind that.

Take the P1 200 vs the P1 200MMX CPU, MMX supporting apps ran much faster.

Cute... BUT WRONG!!!

The P3 would beat a P4 at the same speed, especially if both were using PC133 RAM.

 

[supersunbird]

I don't see the reasoning behind that.

Take the P1 200 vs the P1 200MMX CPU, MMX supporting apps ran much faster.

Because the P4 is a slower architecture on Instructions Per Clock (IPC), why do you think a 1.5GHz Athlon performed faster than a 2GHz P4, or a 1.3GHz PIII performed better than a 1.5GHz P4.

The P4 could clock faster, for Intels MHz is king marketing...

 

[ShockG]

No supersunbird is right.
P3 1GHz would kick a P4 1GHz sideways.
Where do you you think Core2Duo is from? It's the P3 core at its basis.

 

[Claymore]

I don't see the reasoning behind that.

Take the P1 200 vs the P1 200MMX CPU, MMX supporting apps ran much faster.

Of course, it was years before there was any benefit from MMX.

 

[Abe]

No supersunbird is right.
P3 1GHz would kick a P4 1GHz sideways.
Where do you you think Core2Duo is from? It's the P3 core at its basis.

I was under the impression that it was the Pentium Pro at core.

 

[ShockG]

Pentium Pro was the basis of all Intel CPU's past that point. So we could argue its P54C core as well :/
Its P3 that introduced many super scaler parts etc...