Krygerleeu said:
Try www.bluesteam.net
Local company/support, pay in Rands - host overseas sup
no problems for 4 months now.
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Try www.bluesteam.net
Local company/support, pay in Rands - host overseas sup
no problems for 4 months now.
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
Now this really does not make sense to me.
Because Telkom is so expensive, and hosting locally is also expensive, you're forced to look overseas for cheaper hosting.
Which means that local hosting companies won't be able to pay their employees - which in turn, lead to job losses... and job security is put at risk. Just so that a few fat cats can get fatter...
If we have cheap hosting in SA, (affordable cheap hosting, mind) then the local currency will stay in SA, people will be able to keep their employees, and in the long term job security will be a realistic goal.
I would love to make use of a local company, but telkom is driving me and my money elsewhere.
Gah.
Because Telkom is so expensive, and hosting locally is also expensive, you're forced to look overseas for cheaper hosting.
Which means that local hosting companies won't be able to pay their employees - which in turn, lead to job losses... and job security is put at risk. Just so that a few fat cats can get fatter...
If we have cheap hosting in SA, (affordable cheap hosting, mind) then the local currency will stay in SA, people will be able to keep their employees, and in the long term job security will be a realistic goal.
I would love to make use of a local company, but telkom is driving me and my money elsewhere.
Gah.
Methinks the article's title should be more like 'Local websites forced abroad due to bandwidth prices' or 'It doesnt make sense that SA sites are hosted overseas' as the title's context could be somewhat confusing.. it's still early in the year and most people are still in holiday mode 
stoke
Honorary Master
R50 a month to place your server on a 2MB backbone.
But - Telkom makes this an impossible dream.
But - Telkom makes this an impossible dream.
bin3
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"Can anyone recommend other good international hosting services?"
I work remotely for an ISP in the UK. Please pm me if you are interested in hosting details - We do most things though colo hosting is predominantly linux. Domain name registration, DNS servers, Firewall, Apache / PHP / MySQL / Perl, etc, etc.
I work remotely for an ISP in the UK. Please pm me if you are interested in hosting details - We do most things though colo hosting is predominantly linux. Domain name registration, DNS servers, Firewall, Apache / PHP / MySQL / Perl, etc, etc.
diabolus
Executive Member
If you are into .NET Development , Im using DiscountASP.NET
http://www.discountasp.net/
Very happy with them, obviously it's more expensive than Unix Hosting [php/mysql/apache] due to Microsoft Server Hosting, but it is STILL only like $8 per month [try finding SA hosting remotely coming close to that].
By accommodating web hosting, in terms of COST in SOUTH AFRICA...
I am going to speak my mind, so all that is said in this letter is from my perspective and is merely my opinion on the matter.
I believe that anyone with some experience of being an entrepreneur, even a child, would be able to tell you this.
By accommodating web hosting, in terms of COST in SOUTH AFRICA, one will encourage investment and Economical growth in South Africa.
What does this mean for Mr. Molotsane, Telkom’s new C.E.O.?
Well in short, slashing web hosting prices and local bandwidth prices are going to make Telkoms Profits and shares sky rocket.
Firstly, more money will be brought into the South African economy and, more specifically, into Telkom itself.
Secondly, less money will be spent on international data (increased profits for Telkom). This, in turn, gives way for Telkom to expand the number of ADSL users with ease and without having to invest in any large-scale projects to accommodate for the amount of bandwidth needed.
The increased number of ADSL users, once again, leads to increased profits for Telkom.
These two things coupled together will pave the way for the growth of the South African IT industry. This will help the entire business industry to expand their “Voice.”
A possible solution to Web Hosting in South Africa
Web hosting will consist of hosting services coupled with a local bandwidth package and optional international bandwidth package.
The client will have the option to choose whether or not he wants to have international browsing.
If the case where the website has capped its self on an international package, they may choose to purchase additional bandwidth, or a new innovation which includes hosting with no international browsing. This service which shall be offered by SAIX is called Pay browsing.
(More details to follow..)
Hosting service refers to all the utilities that one receives with the hosting package i.e. ASP, Linux, Windows, PHP, JS, Mail, Admin control panel, ftp etc.
The ISP would offer different hosting packages. What is contained in these packages would be what the ISP decides, or what has been agreed between the two parties.
These deals will have no intervention from any other parties, or any clauses: such as a condition which links the parties to another product i.e. bandwidth through intervention by government, if they are not consorting to at least having 50% or more web hosting packages priced inline with international standards.
Bandwidth package will comprise out of two parts. Local bandwidth packages and international bandwidth packages in which there will be bandwidth monitoring for each.
International packages will be classified as all traffic which leaves’s South African borders. Local traffic would be just the opposite.
The only key features about this are that local bandwidth packages must fall inline with international prices. For this to take off and encourage web hosting investment in South Africa, these prices must eventually be cheaper than international prices by 25%.
What is Pay Browse and how does it work
Clients that would like to access locally hosted sites which have no international hosting or bandwidth avalible shall be redirect to a secure SAIX server.
On this server they may select a means of payment, in which one will be granted access to the site by directed them through a secure SIAX server which monitors the bandwidth usage. Once the session with the site has ended, they will be charged accordingly.
This also allows for International ISP’s and companies to strike deals with SAIX in which they allow IP ranges or accounts access to all, or certain South African sites with no international hosting bandwidth packages which that party has chosen.
Once again this is just me thinking innovatively; bringing more ideas to the table and increasing profits resulting in more money being pumped into the economy!
Impact on the IT sector.
Due to high web hosting and bandwidth prices in South Africa, it has already crushed the web hosting market to nothing. Any person when deciding to host a website, would not even think twice about using international hosting compared to South African hosting seeing as though international hosting prices are cheaper.
Conclusion
If this matter is not dealt with swiftly, there will not be any web sites hosted in South Africa, but that of Telkom. While the “time bomb” is ticking, Telkom is losing ground and support by the local market. The longer they wait to implement this, the harder it’s going to be for them to recuperate the market and support of the South Africans overseas hosted sites. Especially having to convince them to support you once again and change to South African hosting. It’s a difficult road to travel already, but one worth travelling sooner than later.
As the saying goes:
“Those who’s feet you tread on now, are those who’s feet you going to need later.”
I am going to speak my mind, so all that is said in this letter is from my perspective and is merely my opinion on the matter.
I believe that anyone with some experience of being an entrepreneur, even a child, would be able to tell you this.
By accommodating web hosting, in terms of COST in SOUTH AFRICA, one will encourage investment and Economical growth in South Africa.
What does this mean for Mr. Molotsane, Telkom’s new C.E.O.?
Well in short, slashing web hosting prices and local bandwidth prices are going to make Telkoms Profits and shares sky rocket.
Firstly, more money will be brought into the South African economy and, more specifically, into Telkom itself.
Secondly, less money will be spent on international data (increased profits for Telkom). This, in turn, gives way for Telkom to expand the number of ADSL users with ease and without having to invest in any large-scale projects to accommodate for the amount of bandwidth needed.
The increased number of ADSL users, once again, leads to increased profits for Telkom.
These two things coupled together will pave the way for the growth of the South African IT industry. This will help the entire business industry to expand their “Voice.”
A possible solution to Web Hosting in South Africa
Web hosting will consist of hosting services coupled with a local bandwidth package and optional international bandwidth package.
The client will have the option to choose whether or not he wants to have international browsing.
If the case where the website has capped its self on an international package, they may choose to purchase additional bandwidth, or a new innovation which includes hosting with no international browsing. This service which shall be offered by SAIX is called Pay browsing.
(More details to follow..)
Hosting service refers to all the utilities that one receives with the hosting package i.e. ASP, Linux, Windows, PHP, JS, Mail, Admin control panel, ftp etc.
The ISP would offer different hosting packages. What is contained in these packages would be what the ISP decides, or what has been agreed between the two parties.
These deals will have no intervention from any other parties, or any clauses: such as a condition which links the parties to another product i.e. bandwidth through intervention by government, if they are not consorting to at least having 50% or more web hosting packages priced inline with international standards.
Bandwidth package will comprise out of two parts. Local bandwidth packages and international bandwidth packages in which there will be bandwidth monitoring for each.
International packages will be classified as all traffic which leaves’s South African borders. Local traffic would be just the opposite.
The only key features about this are that local bandwidth packages must fall inline with international prices. For this to take off and encourage web hosting investment in South Africa, these prices must eventually be cheaper than international prices by 25%.
What is Pay Browse and how does it work
Clients that would like to access locally hosted sites which have no international hosting or bandwidth avalible shall be redirect to a secure SAIX server.
On this server they may select a means of payment, in which one will be granted access to the site by directed them through a secure SIAX server which monitors the bandwidth usage. Once the session with the site has ended, they will be charged accordingly.
This also allows for International ISP’s and companies to strike deals with SAIX in which they allow IP ranges or accounts access to all, or certain South African sites with no international hosting bandwidth packages which that party has chosen.
Once again this is just me thinking innovatively; bringing more ideas to the table and increasing profits resulting in more money being pumped into the economy!
Impact on the IT sector.
Due to high web hosting and bandwidth prices in South Africa, it has already crushed the web hosting market to nothing. Any person when deciding to host a website, would not even think twice about using international hosting compared to South African hosting seeing as though international hosting prices are cheaper.
Conclusion
If this matter is not dealt with swiftly, there will not be any web sites hosted in South Africa, but that of Telkom. While the “time bomb” is ticking, Telkom is losing ground and support by the local market. The longer they wait to implement this, the harder it’s going to be for them to recuperate the market and support of the South Africans overseas hosted sites. Especially having to convince them to support you once again and change to South African hosting. It’s a difficult road to travel already, but one worth travelling sooner than later.
As the saying goes:
“Those who’s feet you tread on now, are those who’s feet you going to need later.”
Nom Chompsky
High Tory
The problem with overseas hosting is support generally. I've going to go with a local ISP for my online hardware shop (be up in 2-3 months) because they've promised me unlimited diskspace + bandwidth on a US server yet the support is local.
The best of both worlds really
The best of both worlds really
Thats the type of service we are providing - and like you say it makes a lot of business sense. Saves you the hassels of dealing with international currancy, gives you support people who are awake the same hours as you are.
Also many international hosts only provide email or chat support. Its virtually impossible to get them on the phone...
All these benefits for the same sort of prices that you are paying overseas.
Also many international hosts only provide email or chat support. Its virtually impossible to get them on the phone...
All these benefits for the same sort of prices that you are paying overseas.
LoneGunman
Expert Member
ANOTHER REASON NOT TO HOST LOCALLY.
-------------------------------->Censorship.
Despite the appearance of a democracy, South Africa has legislation that is
anti-democratic and anti-free speech - hidng this behind a pseudo paternalist veneer of 'protecting people against hate speech'.
(as if SA citizens are retarded children without maturity, who need State protection from things that might upset them or offend them.)
'Freedom of speech' means tolerating other peoples stupid, offensive or hurtful views.
There're enough civil laws to ensure that if someone says 'go kill someone else' - that the law takes its course. The idea that laws are in place here because the citizens need their ethnic origins, their religious beliefs or their political beliefs looked after - like trigger happy immature babies, is profoundly anti-democratic to start with.
No matter how good the intentions were of making laws which apparently 'looked after' these retards in our midst who might fall apart and cry because someone didnt like their colour, their Deity or their politics.
This fascist and anti-democratic and anti-free speech concept has a trickle down effect - even at times visible here on this Forum - where the idea of allowing speech which supposedly offends this or that persons belief systems, or political views, is simply 'wrong' and thus can be censored 'justifiably' by Mods.
Think about it. You're free to horribly and obscenely insult my race, my g0d or my politics. I don't mind - I'm an adult, and a believer in Democratic values.
But if you try to justify censoring someone attacking my race/religion/politics - you're not a democrat, and you're not doing anything to promote diversity in a democratic society. You're carrying out the fake morality of an anti-democratic authoritarian regime, disguised as a democracy.
And indulging in some serious self-delusion.
If you seriously believe that someones words about religion, race or politics can make any substantive difference to that Religion, Race, or Political Ideology to start with - then you've bought into a bogus anti-democratic view which tries to legislate 'morality'.
(Much as the Nazi's did, and the proponents of Apartheid did - each of which were one political party's idea of what was 'moral' or 'decent' TO THEM.)
You can't decide 'morality' or 'decency' in law, without turning into monsters, sooner or later.
Back on topic - this bogus concept of toeing the line to someone elses idea of morality and decency is also at large within most of the local ISP's and potential site hosts. And there's a chilling effect on free speech, that's spreading rapidly.
For instance - If you create a website that proposes anti-government views, or has scatalogical attitudes or irreverent statements which the local State have decided are 'illegal' - then your site, if it's hosted locally, can be shut down, often without even a court order.
One phone call from a politician to the local ISP will probably do it.
Indeed, the mere idea of doing anything which the Government might not like,
means that every service provider locally, and in turn, every forum and website, is running scared, while pretending not to be.
So another very good reason for hosting your website or forum outside of the borders of this country, is so that you can have REAL free speech occurring, and not fall into the whiney fake morality of deciding what's 'right' and 'wrong' about anyone elses speech.
If someone's too retarded, immature, or even intolerant to 'cope' or 'deal with' or 'read' or 'hear' someone elses views about something, without being so emotionally distraught that their life might fall apart - then they need to be on medication or in an institution - not online, or even living in the diverse complex modern civilised world, and especially not pretending that they're censoring on behalf of protecting some 'democracy'.
-------------------------------->Censorship.
Despite the appearance of a democracy, South Africa has legislation that is
anti-democratic and anti-free speech - hidng this behind a pseudo paternalist veneer of 'protecting people against hate speech'.
(as if SA citizens are retarded children without maturity, who need State protection from things that might upset them or offend them.)
'Freedom of speech' means tolerating other peoples stupid, offensive or hurtful views.
There're enough civil laws to ensure that if someone says 'go kill someone else' - that the law takes its course. The idea that laws are in place here because the citizens need their ethnic origins, their religious beliefs or their political beliefs looked after - like trigger happy immature babies, is profoundly anti-democratic to start with.
No matter how good the intentions were of making laws which apparently 'looked after' these retards in our midst who might fall apart and cry because someone didnt like their colour, their Deity or their politics.
This fascist and anti-democratic and anti-free speech concept has a trickle down effect - even at times visible here on this Forum - where the idea of allowing speech which supposedly offends this or that persons belief systems, or political views, is simply 'wrong' and thus can be censored 'justifiably' by Mods.
Think about it. You're free to horribly and obscenely insult my race, my g0d or my politics. I don't mind - I'm an adult, and a believer in Democratic values.
But if you try to justify censoring someone attacking my race/religion/politics - you're not a democrat, and you're not doing anything to promote diversity in a democratic society. You're carrying out the fake morality of an anti-democratic authoritarian regime, disguised as a democracy.
And indulging in some serious self-delusion.
If you seriously believe that someones words about religion, race or politics can make any substantive difference to that Religion, Race, or Political Ideology to start with - then you've bought into a bogus anti-democratic view which tries to legislate 'morality'.
(Much as the Nazi's did, and the proponents of Apartheid did - each of which were one political party's idea of what was 'moral' or 'decent' TO THEM.)
You can't decide 'morality' or 'decency' in law, without turning into monsters, sooner or later.
Back on topic - this bogus concept of toeing the line to someone elses idea of morality and decency is also at large within most of the local ISP's and potential site hosts. And there's a chilling effect on free speech, that's spreading rapidly.
For instance - If you create a website that proposes anti-government views, or has scatalogical attitudes or irreverent statements which the local State have decided are 'illegal' - then your site, if it's hosted locally, can be shut down, often without even a court order.
One phone call from a politician to the local ISP will probably do it.
Indeed, the mere idea of doing anything which the Government might not like,
means that every service provider locally, and in turn, every forum and website, is running scared, while pretending not to be.
So another very good reason for hosting your website or forum outside of the borders of this country, is so that you can have REAL free speech occurring, and not fall into the whiney fake morality of deciding what's 'right' and 'wrong' about anyone elses speech.
If someone's too retarded, immature, or even intolerant to 'cope' or 'deal with' or 'read' or 'hear' someone elses views about something, without being so emotionally distraught that their life might fall apart - then they need to be on medication or in an institution - not online, or even living in the diverse complex modern civilised world, and especially not pretending that they're censoring on behalf of protecting some 'democracy'.
bekdik
Honorary Master
@Lone - it's demography not democracy.
I believe it makes ALOT of sense! My site was hosted locally for about 3 months, I had 20MB of space and 500MB Bandwidth limit, having a forum it reached its cap almost everymonth, the larger it got (50 memebrs) it hit it halfway through the month. I moved over to SerV Hosting! Well problem gone with International Hosting.
How do you beat this?
Serv S1
Hard Disk: 1 GB
Bandwidth: 12.5 GB
Price: R 21.00
Serv S2
Hard Disk: 3 GB
Bandwidth: 37.5 GB
Price: R 63.00
Serv S3
Hard Disk: 5 GB
Bandwidth: 62.5 GB
Price: R 105.00
How do you beat this?
Serv S1
Hard Disk: 1 GB
Bandwidth: 12.5 GB
Price: R 21.00
Serv S2
Hard Disk: 3 GB
Bandwidth: 37.5 GB
Price: R 63.00
Serv S3
Hard Disk: 5 GB
Bandwidth: 62.5 GB
Price: R 105.00
Tomasz-London
Senior Member
Easily beatable in SA.
Rumors are spreading that Telkom will be matching these prices is 2014.
Just after the Government build houses for shacks.
On a more serious note these are standard world prices, superb never the less.
Rumors are spreading that Telkom will be matching these prices is 2014.
Just after the Government build houses for shacks.
On a more serious note these are standard world prices, superb never the less.
RVFmal
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MrG said:
It is called overselling which if done corrctly can be manged quite nicely with no detrimental affect to the client. However, should it not be controlled correctly it could end in tears for more than just the owner of the hosting company.