IOS backups, how are they supposed to work?

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Hi Guys,

let me rant a bit more today on IOS,

Im still trying to get my head around these little treasures you guys like so much,

so I created an Itunes backup a while back on my PC, ipad got wiped (Again)
so I decide to restore from my old backup I had, eventually remembered the password, backup starts, finishes, all looks great,

now I notice something odd, all my apps say "waiting" and are greyed out, why? I notice it starts Extremely slowly downloading them again,

whats the point of the backup then? I mean isnt it supposed to load everything as it was from the itunes backup initially?
so when I eventually answer the millions of questions it asks, I should get everything exactly as it was before, similar to acronis?

this now just downloading all my apps again? or have I done something wrong here?

more I use the Ipad or any IOS device, the more I cant understand them,
I realize that certain people like them, and I cant fault them for that, but coming from an android device,
im gonna miss it until I get my replacement phone shipped, never will buy IOS for myself, thank G*d I never spent my money on this POS,

I seriously cant understand why everything is so obtuse and hard to fathom?
I mean if it backup is done, then it should restore everything as it was initially,
that's my understanding, but this? its just bizarre...

I mean in android, you have titanium backup, backups up everything as its supposed to be, (takes a while)
when I get my new phone, load titanium backup once again, show it where i placed my files,
and hey presto, everything exactly back the way it was initially, might take a while but at least its all back where it was supposed to be,

not start downloading everything once again? why would anybody want that?

 

[travcaine]

Hi Guys,

let me rant a bit more today on IOS,

Im still trying to get my head around these little treasures you guys like so much,

so I created an Itunes backup a while back on my PC, ipad got wiped (Again)
so I decide to restore from my old backup I had, eventually remembered the password, backup starts, finishes, all looks great,

now I notice something odd, all my apps say "waiting" and are greyed out, why? I notice it starts Extremely slowly downloading them again,

whats the point of the backup then? I mean isnt it supposed to load everything as it was from the itunes backup initially?
so when I eventually answer the millions of questions it asks, I should get everything exactly as it was before, similar to acronis?

this now just downloading all my apps again? or have I done something wrong here?

more I use the Ipad or any IOS device, the more I cant understand them,
I realize that certain people like them, and I cant fault them for that, but coming from an android device,
im gonna miss it until I get my replacement phone shipped, never will buy IOS for myself, thank G*d I never spent my money on this POS,

I seriously cant understand why everything is so obtuse and hard to fathom?
I mean if it backup is done, then it should restore everything as it was initially,
that's my understanding, but this? its just bizarre...

I mean in android, you have titanium backup, backups up everything as its supposed to be, (takes a while)
when I get my new phone, load titanium backup once again, show it where i placed my files,
and hey presto, everything exactly back the way it was initially, might take a while but at least its all back where it was supposed to be,

not start downloading everything once again? why would anybody want that?

If in the beginning when you made the back up, if you selected the "Back up Apps" it would of done exactly what you looking for. When you restore the back up and leave the iPad plugged in, it will restore the apps, it will still look like they are being downloaded but in fact they are just copying over again.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

If in the beginning when you made the back up, if you selected the "Back up Apps" it would of done exactly what you looking for. When you restore the back up and leave the iPad plugged in, it will restore the apps, it will still look like they are being downloaded but in fact they are just copying over again.

ok, so do I need to have it plugged in to download via wifi? or does it slowly copy them across via the cable?
Im not following?

 

[Hosehead]

ok, so do I need to have it plugged in to download via wifi? or does it slowly copy them across via the cable?
Im not following?

Istore before they implemented the silly appointment system Until last year did your backups for you usually when u updated iOS
Now they don't bother because wifi costs them money and some stores are so slow on wifi ...and save yourself the hassle buy a 1 terra external hd r800 at computer mania or check Takealot

 

[faniebraai]

I mean in android, you have titanium backup, backups up everything as its supposed to be, (takes a while)
when I get my new phone, load titanium backup once again, show it where i placed my files,
and hey presto, everything exactly back the way it was initially, might take a while but at least its all back where it was supposed to be,

not start downloading everything once again? why would anybody want that?

titanium can only backup apps as a whole if the phone is rooted iirc

 

[faniebraai]

I mean in android, you have titanium backup, backups up everything as its supposed to be, (takes a while)
when I get my new phone, load titanium backup once again, show it where i placed my files,
and hey presto, everything exactly back the way it was initially, might take a while but at least its all back where it was supposed to be,

not start downloading everything once again? why would anybody want that?

titanium can only backup apps as a whole if the phone is rooted iirc

 

[sand_man]

ok, so do I need to have it plugged in to download via wifi? or does it slowly copy them across via the cable?
Im not following?

Via cable. So backup to iCloud and restoring your backup would entail downloading over the internet. Backup to a pc via iTunes and restoring backup happens between pc and the iDevice either via a cabled connection or WLAN...

EDIT: How many apps you got installed on that iPad? How long, more or less, did you leave it connected to the PC/iTunes when restoring from backup?

Depending on how much data, apps etc you got backed up, it can take a while to restore.

 

[Cassady]

How did your iPad get wiped (again)?

 

[faniebraai]

How did your iPad get wiped (again)?

Settings -> General -> Reset

 

[bigboy529]

I usually just use iCloud backup, but every few months or so or whenever I remember I do a backup to iTunes as well.
The other day when I reset my phone, I did a iTunes backup first, then reset, then restored from the iTunes backup. It restored all settings, I think even some passwords which a iCloud backup won't do, then all the apps started downloading over wifi, but after the downloads all the app settings was still in tact, I was even still logged in on apps etc.
The entire process took around a hour and that evening my internet speed wasn't even that great.

Even though it has to download all your apps again after a iTunes restore, I found a iTunes restore to be faster than a iCloud restore, the iCloud restore obviously downloads everything over the internet.
Process works for me, quick, easy and seamless.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Do you have iCloud backup on AS WELL? Then the cable backup becomes secondary and works just like iCloud backup I believe and leaves all things that are downloadable on the internet.

So it would then re-download the Apps.

You said your iPad got wiped again? How? Why?


Of course if you synced your Apps to iTunes then you can just sync them back.


It helps when you know what you are doing or actually try to instead of trying as hard as possible to hate the product.

 

[SauRoNZA]

How did your iPad get wiped (again)?

You beat me to it.

 

[Cassady]

I usually just use iCloud backup, but every few months or so or whenever I remember I do a backup to iTunes as well.
The other day when I reset my phone, I did a iTunes backup first, then reset, then restored from the iTunes backup. It restored all settings, I think even some passwords which a iCloud backup won't do, then all the apps started downloading over wifi, but after the downloads all the app settings was still in tact, I was even still logged in on apps etc.
The entire process took around a hour and that evening my internet speed wasn't even that great.

Even though it has to download all your apps again after a iTunes restore, I found a iTunes restore to be faster than a iCloud restore, the iCloud restore obviously downloads everything over the internet.
Process works for me, quick, easy and seamless.

AFAIK I know, that's one of the key benefits of backing up via iTunes (though the recent iOS updates might have changed that). If you ENCRYPT the iTunes backup, it pulls in all your passwords etc., which means you don't have to re-enter all of them again - as you do, with an iCloud restore. As mentioned - that might have changed, but I've stuck with the iTunes backups for that reason - that, and my internet speeds saw the iCloud backup take forever.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I mean in android, you have titanium backup, backups up everything as its supposed to be, (takes a while)
when I get my new phone, load titanium backup once again, show it where i placed my files,
and hey presto, everything exactly back the way it was initially, might take a while but at least its all back where it was supposed to be,

not start downloading everything once again? why would anybody want that?

Guess what? It's not an Android.


In the modern world we don't even use cables any more and therefore don't need to plug into iTunes.

Switch iCloud Backup ON on your old phone...get new phone put in your username/password and an hour later BOOM everything is where it was. No cables, no titanium nonsense.


But you can do it on iTunes exactly the way you wanted to....problem here is YOU doing it wrong and then wanting to blame the device.

It's really not that hard, but because you are so intent on hating it you make it difficult for yourself.

 

[SauRoNZA]

AFAIK I know, that's one of the key benefits of backing up via iTunes (though the recent iOS updates might have changed that). If you ENCRYPT the iTunes backup, it pulls in all your passwords etc., which means you don't have to re-enter all of them again - as you do, with an iCloud restore. As mentioned - that might have changed, but I've stuck with the iTunes backups for that reason - that, and my internet speeds saw the iCloud backup take forever.

Which passwords are you referring to? Apps? I don't recall any such problems and I've been using iCloud backup since the start and swopped devices a couple of times now but might just be that I didn't really take notice.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

ok let me begin from the top,

company Ipad, got mobileiron on them, that software has a few security settings, one of them is data protection is automatically set to active,
and if you put in the password wrong too many times it wipes your device,

so I set up my touch ID, so I dont have to keep remembering the unlock code, but today it said "enter password to enable touch ID",
and I havent restarted the damm thing, so I tried and it eventually reset and wiped itself,

I hate when that happens, but I thought id be clever here, do a restore from Itunes on my PC,
so I do the restore, brings back all my apps, but then sits and loads for over 2 hours finding everything once again, using the wifi, not the PC.

I dont get it, isnt the restore from Itunes supposed to bring back everything as it was supposed to be? even if you have no wifi?
or is there a setting I missing? when I did the initial backup.


its just so broken, if you do a restore, everything comes back as it was before,

with this I did the restore, and then it sits loading everything once again,
lost all my wifi passwords, and all my paired BT devices,

so whats the point of the backup feature?

no thanks, Ill stick with my android phone.... at least that makes sense in some way.

 

[SauRoNZA]

ok let me begin from the top,

company Ipad, got mobileiron on them, that software has a few security settings, one of them is data protection is automatically set to active,
and if you put in the password wrong too many times it wipes your device,

so I set up my touch ID, so I dont have to keep remembering the unlock code, but today it said "enter password to enable touch ID",
and I havent restarted the damm thing, so I tried and it eventually reset and wiped itself,

I hate when that happens, but I thought id be clever here, do a restore from Itunes on my PC,
so I do the restore, brings back all my apps, but then sits and loads for over 2 hours finding everything once again, using the wifi, not the PC.

I dont get it, isnt the restore from Itunes supposed to bring back everything as it was supposed to be? even if you have no wifi?
or is there a setting I missing? when I did the initial backup.


its just so broken, if you do a restore, everything comes back as it was before,

with this I did the restore, and then it sits loading everything once again,
lost all my wifi passwords, and all my paired BT devices,

so whats the point of the backup feature?

no thanks, Ill stick with my android phone.... at least that makes sense in some way.

Turn on App syncing.

Otherwise how the hell is the thing going to restore apps that were never available locally?

The backup is for your DATA. Apps aren't data, they are freely available online or if you absolutely must you can have your own repository in iTunes.

These are internet connected devices, not Android bricks.


I'm not surprised you are struggling so much, because the devices are obviously ahead of their time and you still want it to be a flash drive.

 

[SauRoNZA]

AFAIK I know, that's one of the key benefits of backing up via iTunes (though the recent iOS updates might have changed that). If you ENCRYPT the iTunes backup, it pulls in all your passwords etc., which means you don't have to re-enter all of them again - as you do, with an iCloud restore. As mentioned - that might have changed, but I've stuck with the iTunes backups for that reason - that, and my internet speeds saw the iCloud backup take forever.

Based on this little summary the Encryption only applies to Health & Activity data.

But there could be more to it.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203977

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Guess what? It's not an Android.


In the modern world we don't even use cables any more and therefore don't need to plug into iTunes.

Switch iCloud Backup ON on your old phone...get new phone put in your username/password and an hour later BOOM everything is where it was. No cables, no titanium nonsense.


But you can do it on iTunes exactly the way you wanted to....problem here is YOU doing it wrong and then wanting to blame the device.

It's really not that hard, but because you are so intent on hating it you make it difficult for yourself.

thing is, we been told to NEVER switch Icloud to on, always to turn it off,
was told it conflict with mobileiron, anyway, I digress

so I assume if you log in with icloud it works as advertised, and everything comes back as its supposed to?
(not sure if it does the whole loading thing) but anyway,

my understanding of the itunes on PC backup is you do it initially, and when you need to do it again,
it all comes back in one go, no waiting for it to download everything once again? I mean whats the point of that exactly?

I still dont get why its build in this retarded way? and why would anybody want that?

 

[SauRoNZA]

Mobileiron sounds ****. If they don't want you to use iCloud then they should switch it off in the MDM profile, not tell you to not use it.

Sounds to me more like they don't want you stealing the data.

so I assume if you log in with icloud it works as advertised, and everything comes back as its supposed to?
(not sure if it does the whole loading thing) but anyway,

Yes it brings it all back but it's entirely internet based then so will re-download it all in exactly the same manner.

my understanding of the itunes on PC backup is you do it initially, and when you need to do it again,
it all comes back in one go, no waiting for it to download everything once again? I mean whats the point of that exactly?

Choice. You can have App sync on or off, entirely up to you.

I still dont get why its build in this retarded way? and why would anybody want that?

See above.

In the modern world with fast internet it's completely transparent.

Apple is moving away from localised stuff with cables and what not. Your entire everything is in iCloud or Appstore so why would you need to backup static data?

You backup data that is unique and can be lost. Otherwise your backup now takes as long as the phone is large for no good reason at all.