Iran busts CIA terror network

I don't doubt that the CIA may be carrying out operations inside Iran, but to call it Terrorism is a bit of a stretch. More like counter-terrorism.

Having said that though, I have long believed that the USA is going about their counter-terrorism in completely the wrong manner. You cannot fight a military war against an ideological threat.

These terrorists are being raised and born in an environment where they are being indoctrinated and brainwashed into a particular way of thinking. The only real way to fight that is to brainwash them with something else. And what does the USA have a lot of? Materialism.

Introduce the young people of these Muslim nations to MTV, Playstation and Wal-mart and within a generation you will have a bunch of materialistic and fat kids who are not interested in going out and blowing themselves up in the name of Allah. All they will be interested in will be their next cellphone and the next Grand Theft Auto game.

This can be simply achieved by beaming free satellite TV into those muslim nations and providing the people on the ground with free TV and satellite receivers. Much cheaper than the 3 Million dollars per second they are spending right now in Iraq.

America is fat and flabby because of their Western Materialistic Culture. Simply export that to the Muslim nations and your threat will be removed within five years. Turn the Tennagers into rebels and Goth and Emo kids, and they will not see the sense in listening to their Imams and Muslim leaders.

Simple really.
 
Funny how everything that comes out of America, or reported in their media, is regarded as the gospel... anything out of Iran, Iraq or the like must obviously be propaganda and lies... interesting concept that...

I, for one, question both sides innocence...
 
LancelotSA said:
Funny how everything that comes out of America, or reported in their media, is regarded as the gospel... anything out of Iran, Iraq or the like must obviously be propaganda and lies... interesting concept that...

I, for one, question both sides innocence...
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Same here, well said.
 
LancelotSA said:
Funny how everything that comes out of America, or reported in their media, is regarded as the gospel... anything out of Iran, Iraq or the like must obviously be propaganda and lies... interesting concept that...

I, for one, question both sides innocence...
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I would much rather believe a news source from a country that practices freedom of speech (and enforces it in their courts) than from a country that hangs people in public, stones women and glorifies suicide bombers!

Come on man, that is just common sense! :eek:
 
Call us what you want but I will still question information that is fed to us no matter the source... you on the other hand can just continue to believe the country you "feel" is not feeding you propaganda.

You think we as South Africans would no better. A lot of us lived, or at least were born, in a era where we were fed whatever the NP government felt we needed to hear and hid the rest from us.... I suppose some people just don't learn...
 
LancelotSA said:
You think we as South Africans would no better. A lot of us lived, or at least were born, in a era where we were fed whatever the NP government felt we needed to hear and hid the rest from us.... I suppose some people just don't learn...
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Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise the Nat government was an open democracy.
 
LancelotSA said:
Call us what you want but I will still question information that is fed to us no matter the source... you on the other hand can just continue to believe the country you "feel" is not feeding you propaganda.

You think we as South Africans would no better. A lot of us lived, or at least were born, in a era where we were fed whatever the NP government felt we needed to hear and hid the rest from us.... I suppose some people just don't learn...
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by all means question it... that is what a good citizen is supposed to be able to do. We don't accept anything as a "given" without sufficient proof.

But there is also such a thing as proved reliability over time and "trust". I trust most of those American news sources (most, not all) because for the most part they are trying to be objective. They believe in objectivity. I know this because of their neutral stance on the Iraq occupation and other such issues. They are also not scared to break controversial news stories or scandals. And many of them have proved that they are more willing to go to prison than to reveal their sources. That kind of objectivity impresses me.

The Muslim sources on the other hand are undtried and untested. Time will tell how objective they are. For the most part I am pretty impreseed with the quality of Al Jazeera, but they have yet to be tested on a major issue. When the time comes for them to stand against Islam or one of the major Muslim governments we will see what happens. The jury is still out.

As far as what we accepted in the past under the old "regime" speak for yourself. Not all of us took what was being given us as the gospel truth. I know we benefitted because of the colour of our skin, but that does not automatically equal complicity.

I am not telling anyone to just take what they are fed... but come on man. If it is between ten different American news networks and one Iraninian newspaper... I don't think it is that hard to tell who is talking BS! ;)
 
Garyvdh said:
I am not telling anyone to just take what they are fed... but come on man. If it is between ten different American news networks and one Iraninian newspaper... I don't think it is that hard to tell who is talking BS! ;)
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The same Iranian media that aired a sympathetic series on the holocaust?
http://time-blog.com/middle_east/2007/10/iran_tvs_holocaust_series.html

Even as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denies or questions the Holocaust, Iranians have been glued to their TV sets watching the concluding episodes of a 22-part, government-financed docu-drama in which an Iranian saves his Jewish sweetheart from the Nazi death camps. Not only is the Holocaust not denied or questioned, its Jewish victims are treated with unambiguous sympathy.
In Zero Degree Turn, a half-Iranian, half-Palestinian named Habib Parsa falls in love with a French Jewish girl while studying in Paris. Later, as an official at the Iranian embassy, he arranges to issue Iranian passports to the girl and her mother and send them to safety in Tehran.
Director Hassan Fathi says the story is based on Abdol Hussein Sardari, a real-life charge d'affaires at the Iranian embassy in Paris, who saved some 1,000 European Jews by forging Iranian passports so they could exit the country in an exodus of Iranian Jews back to Iran.
That's fine, but why would Iranian TV air such a series--Ramadan is the prime month for television viewing--if Ahmadinejad is so hostile to Jews and denies the Holocaust? State television in Iran is entirely controlled by the highest authority in the land, Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei.
No doubt Ahmadinejad finds questioning of the Holocaust a convenient way to stir up support for his anti-Israel campaign. In one swoop, he can suggest that Jews made up or exaggerated the Holocaust, that the Holocaust unjustifiably led to the expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland, and that Europeans, not Muslims, are responsible for any harm done to Jews. Simple messages like these play well to Ahmadinejad's domestic base of religious and poor Iranians and to an audience of Israel-hating Muslims around the world that he seeks to mobilize for international stature.
But in the next breath, Ahmadinejad himself will point out that he has no problem with Jews, only with Zionists. As the Wall Street Journal's Farnaz Fassihi wrote, one of the aims of the series was "to draw a clear distinction between the government's views about Judaism -- which is accepted across Iranian society -- and its stance on Israel."
Nonetheless, it is interesting that Iranian TV would give such prominence to a Holocaust series so soon after Ahmadinejad created a storm of controversy with his remarks denying the Holocaust. Knowing how Khamenei strives to keep balance in Iran's policies, and how upset he reportedly was that Ahmadinejad's inflammatory statements needlessly heightened the West's confrontation with Iran, it's possible that the Leader sought to demonstrate Iran's other face. When it comes to Iran, it pays to take a closer look at the country's intricate politics before rushing to conclusions.
--By Scott MacLeod/Cairo
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Dobee said:
That this story has been pushed aside as a blog and not reported in the MSM... why is that I wonder?
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No, that the Media outlets in non-democratic countries cannot be trusted.

I don't know where you get Blog from? This was reported by the Tehran Times... which is a newspaper last time I checked.
 
Garyvdh said:
No, that the Media outlets in non-democratic countries cannot be trusted.

I don't know where you get Blog from? This was reported by the Tehran Times... which is a newspaper last time I checked.
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Nevermind.... seems you totally missed my previous posts.

Difference between you and me is that you still choose to trust a source whereas I trust neither.
 
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Dobee said:
Nevermind.... seems you totally missed my previous posts.

Difference between you and me is that you still choose to trust a source whereas I trust neither.
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Looking back through the thread, all I see is you putting the Western news sources on the same level as that of Iran.... and nobody agreeing with you.:confused:

If you want to say that Western News sources are no more to be trusted than that of a country like Iran, then I am sorry, but that is a stupid statement. :)

I don't fully trust ANY news source 100%, but I would def. take a Western source over that of Iran, and you proved why that is by giving an example of Iran's twisting of the truth. Hence, I said... thank you for proving my point.

If you want to be sceptical of both, that is fine. But if you want to say that Western Media Sources are propagating lies on the same level as that or Iran, then I think you are tossing your brains out the window.

Western Sources have a higher level of accountability because they have to answer to more peers and a very critical public. Muslim sources only have to answer to their government and they are not accountable to anyone else. That makes them extremely susceptible to bias. They are pretty much the mouthpieces of their given state.

and I think you should quit while you are "ahead" here... because given the general sentiment in this thread ... I think you are swimming upstream in piranha infested waters. ;)
 
Garyvdh said:
Looking back through the thread, all I see is you putting the Western news sources on the same level as that of Iran.... and nobody agreeing with you.:confused:

If you want to say that Western News sources are no more to be trusted than that of a country like Iran, then I am sorry, but that is a stupid statement. :)

I don't fully trust ANY news source 100%, but I would def. take a Western source over that of Iran, and you proved why that is by giving an example of Iran's twisting of the truth. Hence, I said... thank you for proving my point.

If you want to be sceptical of both, that is fine. But if you want to say that Western Media Sources are propagating lies on the same level as that or Iran, then I think you are tossing your brains out the window.

Western Sources have a higher level of accountability because they have to answer to more peers and a very critical public. Muslim sources only have to answer to their government and they are not accountable to anyone else. That makes them extremely susceptible to bias. They are pretty much the mouthpieces of their given state.

and I think you should quit while you are "ahead" here... because given the general sentiment in this thread ... I think you are swimming upstream in piranha infested waters. ;)
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That blog does not prove Iran twisting the truth so I don't see how you got that from the article but then again it is a western source. :rolleyes:

With regards to saying western and non-western are the same(allegedly) is a stupid statement....
Does that mean if I can't prove or disprove an article from an Iranian newspaper I should ignore it and treat it as propaganda? :rolleyes:

Like I said before I treat all media the same, if you can't get you head around that it's not my fault.
 
Ja, you win. We get it - you dont trust anybody. Then you wont mind if we do not trust anything you say either? Fair?
 
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