Iran hacks and nuke station

w1z4rd said:
100000% speculation.

I noticed the juicy bit of information that you left out was this virus attacked systems in the USA as well. *cough*.
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Attacking USA system, what rubbish,It was aimed at Middle east ,Hardly any USA Systems were taken over,Please get your facts straight and not just give out inaccurate information .Some Would of been taken over due to the network of the industrys working in the diffrent countrys,Also You dont know for a fact that they did not purposely infect it just to avoid getting blamed.I mean which reputable virus maker would prevent their virus from infecting Usa since its the best place to earn a quick buck,A Country as big as USA not getting infeced would sparksuspicions ,The infections in the middle east its over 10times the infections in USA.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/sep/24/stuxnet-worm-national-agency
 
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Mineer said:
I am a muslim I find ur comment very offensive I would appreciate some tact in future :)
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My comment was levelled at Islamic terrorists, and if you're not one of them, then why be offended?

Do you really believe that the UN should have left them to grow in strength in places like Afghanistan?
 
Who cares about nuclear weapons.The islamic bomb has already been dropped.As far as i know its the fastest growing religion.
 
zeyad 001 said:
Attacking USA system, what rubbish,It was aimed at Middle east ,Hardly any USA Systems were taken over,Please get your facts straight and not just give out inaccurate information .Some Would of been taken over due to the network of the industrys working in the diffrent countrys,Also You dont know for a fact that they did not purposely infect it just to avoid getting blamed.I mean which reputable virus maker would prevent their virus from infecting Usa since its the best place to earn a quick buck,A Country as big as USA not getting infeced would sparksuspicions ,The infections in the middle east its over 10times the infections in USA.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/sep/24/stuxnet-worm-national-agency
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I take it from your complete lack of understanding on the topic you dont know what you are talking about :) Three countries reported serious infections. Iran with over 60 000, Indonesia with over 10 000 and the USA with infections in the thousands. Yet America launched the payload?

If you can for a second see beyond your "religious reasoning" (Ive found rationality works the best), you will see that one country has launched a similar attack before. Against Syrian radar stations. That country was Israel. Not the USA. Since you clearly dont know what you are talking about perhaps you better do some reading before sounding so doff?

It might not even be Israel, remember with this virus it mostly targeted the Russian built nuclear station. Russia are the biggest cyberbully attackers out there (they have attacked entire countries). I know of no other country more active than Russia in cyber attacks. It just so happens that the attacks happened shortly after the Iran S300 missile deal was cancelled. Russia also have the best understanding of the infrastructure there. Is Iran not paying them perhaps because of the sour missile deal? Why only target a nuclear station thats known for not being involved in nuclear weapons?

No.. for you its instantly America.. and your ENTIRE speculation is based on the fact that they only got a handful of infections therefore it MUST be them. Complete and utter logic fail. Read more computer manuals and less Korans. That`ll help you.
 
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Frankie said:
My comment was levelled at Islamic terrorists, and if you're not one of them, then why be offended?

Do you really believe that the UN should have left them to grow in strength in places like Afghanistan?
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w1z4rd said:
There is nothing offensive about wanting to take out islamic terrorists. They totally deserve it.
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Terrorist sure, but Iraq is not a terrorist state and not every Iraqi is a terrorist not every Mulsim is a terrorist,
persecution of the whole is country is completely wrong esp since not even one WMD was ever found after all the killing of innocents that happened not to mention the abu-gaib scandal
 
w1z4rd said:
I take it from your complete lack of understanding on the topic you dont know what you are talking about :) Three countries reported serious infections. Iran with over 60 000, Indonesia with over 10 000 and the USA with infections in the thousands. Yet America launched the payload?

If you can for a second see beyond your "religious reasoning" (Ive found rationality works the best), you will see that one country has launched a similar attack before. Against Syrian radar stations. That country was Israel. Not the USA. Since you clearly dont know what you are talking about perhaps you better do some reading before sounding so doff?

Your hate of America (and anything democratic and western) has completely blinded your ability to reason rationally.

It might not even be Israel, remember with this virus it mostly targeted the Russian built nuclear station. Russia are the biggest cyberbully attackers out there (they have attacked entire countries). I know of no other country more active than Russia in cyber attacks. It just so happens that the attacks happened shortly after the Iran S300 missile deal was cancelled. Russia also have the best understanding of the infrastructure there. Is Iran not paying them perhaps because of the sour missile deal? Why only target a nuclear station thats known for not being involved in nuclear weapons?

No.. for you its instantly America.. and your ENTIRE speculation is based on the fact that they only got a handful of infections therefore it MUST be them. Complete and utter logic fail.

Jeeez bru... read more computer manuals and less Korans, you might actually make a post worth the bandwidth required to read it.
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A lot of thumb sucking going on.


"The main systems of the Bushehr nuclear power plant have not been damaged," Mahmoud Jahfari, the plant's project manager, told the official Islamic Republic News Agency. "Investigations show that some private software of the power plant's employees have been contaminated."

Read more: PC virus hits Iran nuclear plant - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...r-plant/articleshow/6634450.cms#ixzz10pQClocv
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Now who's fault is it that the power plant management are lax in their computer control systems security, allowing employees to infect the unit controls - must be the big bad WEST.
 
Mineer said:
Terrorist sure, but Iraq is not a terrorist state and not every Iraqi is a terrorist not every Mulsim is a terrorist,
persecution of the whole is country is completely wrong esp since not even one WMD was ever found after all the killing of innocents that happened not to mention the abu-gaib scandal
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Nope, but there are loads and loads of Iran/Syrian backed terrorists in Iraq that totally need to be exterminated before the people of Iraq can go to the market without the fear of another fknut blowing all the woman and kids to pieces in the name of a bronze age religion.
 
Mineer said:
Terrorist sure, but Iraq is not a terrorist state and not every Iraqi is a terrorist not every Mulsim is a terrorist,
persecution of the whole is country is completely wrong esp since not even one WMD was ever found after all the killing of innocents that happened not to mention the abu-gaib scandal
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Do you have the same comments about Afghanistan?

Now who's killing who in Iraq ?

Suicide bombing at Iraqi mosque

A suicide bomber has killed nine people and wounded 15 in an attack on a Shia mosque during Friday prayers, Iraqi police say.

Reports say the bombing took place in the town of Musayib, 80km (50 miles) south of the capital, Baghdad.
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Iraq Shias massacred on holy day

More than 140 people have been killed in blasts targeting Iraqi Shias as they celebrated the climax of a holy ritual in the cities of Karbala and Baghdad.
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Just a couple of examples !
 
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One man's liberation is another's persecution.........
 
w1z4rd said:
Nope, but there are loads and loads of Iran/Syrian backed terrorists in Iraq that totally need to be exterminated before the people of Iraq can go to the market without the fear of another fknut blowing all the woman and kids to pieces in the name of a bronze age religion.
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but Iraq was attack for WMD's :(
 
Frankie said:
Do you have the same comments about Afghanistan?

Now who's killing who in Iraq ?

Suicide bombing at Iraqi mosque




Iraq Shias massacred on holy day


Just a couple of examples !
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before the war there was relative calm between the 2 schools of thought even mixed neighborhoods(shia/sunni neighbourhood) even while did have their differences - no tension

After last months devastating attack on the Al-Askari mosque in Samarra and a number of further incidents, Western politicians and commentators now describe Iraq as on the verge of a Sunni-Shia civil war. An opinion poll published on 7th March by the Washington Post and ABC News showed 80% of Americans believed civil war in Iraq was likely, and more than a third that it was very likely. For those reading the daily news reports from Iraq as well as US and UK newspapers the fear of civil war remains high.

However, these fears are nothing new. Its two years since 180 Muslims were killed in bomb attacks at Kerbala and Baghdad on the religious festival of Ashura to mark the martyrdom of Imam Hussein. Similar statements were raised then about a civil war yet they have failed to materialise. If the West is to be believed Sunni Shia tensions have been simmering for decades in Iraq, and have now boiled over after the Iraq war. Last week the US Ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, said that the US-led invasion in 2003 had opened up tensions in Iraq. He said. “We have opened the Pandora's Box and the question is, what is the way forward?�

If we look historically to relations between Sunni and Shia in Iraq we don’t see any ‘Pandora’s Box’ of tensions. Rather we see both sets of Muslims have always lived together side by side, worshipping in the same mosques and inter-marrying. Despite differences of opinion over some Islamic issues both Sunni and Shia both see themselves and each other as Muslims first. The Western media continually labels mosques and neighbourhoods in Iraq as being either Sunni or Shia. Yet this distinction is a misnomer. A mosque is a House of Allah, and cannot be described as a Sunni or Shia mosque. This is why the attack on Al-Askara mosque was just as upsetting to Sunni as it was to Shia. The Shia Imam Muqtada al-Sadr said after the attack, “My message to the Iraqi people is to stand united and bonded, and not to fall into the Western trap. The West is trying to divide the Iraqi people.� During the April 2004 assault on Fallujah, the besieged Sunni city was assisted by Shia and Sunni from across Iraq, who brought medical and food aid for their brothers. They chanted, “No no Sunni, No no Shia, Yes yes Islam�. In Baghdad, Sunni and Shia filled the Amm al-Qura mosque, while 200,000 gathered in Baghdad for a demonstration against the assault.

The west likes to cite the Sunni Shia differences as evidence that only a secular solution is the way forward for Iraq. The Library Journal's review of Olivier Roy's mid-nineties book, 'The Failure of Political Islam' echoed the views of many in the West, “…the attempt to create a universal Islamist state is doomed to failure because of the conflicts between Sunni and Shia forms and other ethnic differences in the Islamic world…� However, both Sunni and Shia are Muslim and have more in common with each other than differences. Both agree on the fundamental tenets of the Islamic belief and that the Qur’an and Sunnah are the principle sources of Islamic law. The main Shia school of thought (madhab) is the Jafari one. This was founded by Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq the sixth Shia Imam, who was also the teacher of Imam Abu Hanifa the founder of the largest Sunni madhab.

The political rule of a future Caliphate is neither Sunni nor Shia, rather it is Islamic. The head of state may adopt legislation from many different schools of thought, whether Sunni or Shia. The people will obey these laws as the law of the land. The Head of State however, will not adopt legislation covering personal worships and beliefs unless they have a societal impact such as Zakat. The Caliphate is not a police state that will intrude in to people’s homes investigating what beliefs they hold.

The solution to sectarian violence in Iraq is to establish a Caliphate that will unify all Muslims, whether Sunni or Shia, Arab or Kurd. This was outlined by Hizb-ut-Tahrir in Iraq when it organised a unity conference in Baghdad on 4th November 2004, inviting prominent figures from both the Sunni and Shia groups. Mohammed Baqr al-Sadr, uncle of Muqtada al-Sadr declared while under house arrest because of his opposition to Ba’athism and non-Islamic rule in Iraq, “The only thing I have sought in my life is to make the establishment of an Islamic government on earth possible�. Before his execution at the hands of Saddam in 1980, he said “It is incumbent on every Muslim…to liberate themselves from this inhuman gang, and to establish a righteous, unique, and honourable rule based on Islam�. Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere should heed these words and work together to bring about the “honourable rule based on Islam�.

Source: KCom Journal
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Mineer said:
but Iraq was attack for WMD's :(
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The reason for the attack was a lie. Well one Saddam himself helped grow. He was pretty scared of Iran invading Iraq.. he honestly did not care much about America and never imagined in his wildest dreams that they would invade him. He thought that by pretending to have nukes it would be a deterrent against Iran invading Iraq. Also, Saddam using WMD`s against the Kurds did not really help his cause.

I do agree, that there was not enough evidence to invade Iraq, but in the same breath... Good riddance to bad rubbish. As soon as Iran and Syria stop supplying terrorist extremist groups with weapons, money and training, perhaps the people of Iraq can go to the market or for prayer at the Mosque without the fear of someone blowing the crap outta them.

I believe Bush started that war for financial gain, but I also think Iraq in the future will benefit from it. The same way Japan, Germany and South Korea have. Saddam and his regime lived by the sword and died by the sword, I dont mind they got taken out. What upsets me is Syria and Iran extending the war in Iraq and intentionally hurting Iraqi civilians.
 
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