Iran - The War Begins (article)

[d0b33]

Excellent show last night on History channel about Iran and the lunatis that live there. War is definitely coming and its going to be nuclear. Islam and peace? funniest thing I havd ever heard

I watched it myself, except for the first 10 mins of Neocon interference/propaganda(which I've noticed allot on National Geographic, History recently),
the rest was pretty much unbiased.

The reason why the US is so hated by the Iranians was addressed, it starts when the US over threw the Iranian Reza Shah Pahlavi who was an Ally of Hitler at the time with the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran, replaced him with his son Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi who wanted to take the side of the Allies then he became a puppet for the US, sold all of Iran's oil to the US/West while Iranians lingered in poverty.

Iran's geographical position was also important to the Allies. It provided a 'blue water' supply route to the Soviet Union via the port of Bandar Abbas and a specially constructed railway route. The supply routes were known collectively as the Persian Corridor. Soviet political operatives known "agitprops" infiltrated Iran and helped establish the Comintern affiliate Tudeh Party in early in 1942.

-wikipedia

 

[marine1]

Al queda does not exist!!
Its a made up organisation of the CIA!!

Ha ha good one. You also think crime is a perception.

 

[Skeptik]

Oh, so muslims are the source of all evil? Yeah right...

60 years ago the same thing was being said of the jews. It wasn't correct then and it isn't correct now.


Downplay? It's been 5 years since the police last suspected PAGAD of any violent act. Ergo, PAGAD has been silent for the last 5 years. I really do wish that all our other problems were like that. I mean, can you imagine what it would be like if the last corruption scandal in government last happened 5 years ago?

I wasn't able to find a solid number, but the CIA world fact book states that 1.5% of the country's population are muslims. Considering that the population estimates are 44-47 million, that means that there's about 650 000 muslims in the country. A few pipe bombs is hardly evidence of widespread militancy or fundamentalism among the muslim community here.

So the real question here is : exactly what do you think I'm downplaying here?

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/14muslimconflicts.html
That list doesn't include the recent British experience of Muslim fundamentalist terrorism. The Kenyans have also had a bout of Muslim terrorism. What about Georgia and Ossettia?? That just about covers the globe.
Afganistan
Algeria
Egypy
Indonesia
India/Pakistan
Isreal
Iraq
Iran
Kosovo
Nigeria
Sudan
USA
Phillipines
RSA
Britain
France
Netherlands
Georgia
Ossettia
Russia/Chechnya
Lebanon
Syria
Somalia


I'm amazed how you can say "just a few pipe bombs" . Do you realise the damage a single pipe bomb can do and the fear it would instill? A little holiday for the trouble makers to Guantanimo Bay would see them right ...

 

[Xarog]

That list doesn't include the recent British experience of Muslim fundamentalist terrorism. The Kenyans have also had a bout of Muslim terrorism. What about Georgia and Ossettia?? That just about covers the globe.
Afganistan
Algeria
Egypy
Indonesia
India/Pakistan
Isreal
Iraq
Iran
Kosovo
Nigeria
Sudan
USA
Phillipines
RSA
Britain
France
Netherlands
Georgia
Ossettia
Russia/Chechnya
Lebanon
Syria
Somalia

What rot. 192 seperate countries that have joined the United Nations and this is your "proof" that muslims are the root of all evil. And each one automatically assuming that it's the muslims that are to blame for the conflicts. Been taking lessons from Goebbels lately, huh?

Of course muslims make up about a quarter of the global population. Statistically 25% of the conflicts in the world would involve muslims. But I guess that little fact is too inconvenient to realise.

I'm amazed how you can say "just a few pipe bombs" . Do you realise the damage a single pipe bomb can do and the fear it would instill?

Not as much fear as the current crime problem, that's for sure. How much fear do you think the murders, house invasions and rapes generate? Do you think a few pipebombs even compares?

The ANC and Boeremag have achieved far more on the terrorism scale than PAGAD. But no, the real threat to this country and the world is PAGAD and other muslims

 

[marine1]

What rot. 192 seperate countries that have joined the United Nations and this is your "proof" that muslims are the root of all evil. And each one automatically assuming that it's the muslims that are to blame for the conflicts. Been taking lessons from Goebbels lately, huh?

Not ALL evil, just most

The ANC and Boeremag have achieved far more on the terrorism scale than PAGAD. But no, the real threat to this country and the world is PAGAD and other muslims

You are definitely living on some other planet. What the hell did the boeremag ever do ? They let off one bomb that didn't even do much damage. Pagad - Muslims once again.

 

[Xarog]

Not ALL evil, just most

Yeah, and jews are involved in a conspiracy to control the world via global banking institutions...

You are definitely living on some other planet. What the hell did the boeremag ever do ?

Seems you're the one who's living on a strange planet. From wiki :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeremag

South African law enforcement officials charge that the Boeremag was responsible for the 2002 Soweto bombings and arrested twenty-six men, alleged to be members of the Boeremag in November and December 2002, and claimed that they had seized over 1,000 kilograms of explosives in the process.

Leads to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Soweto_bombings

The 2002 Soweto Bombings were a string of terrorist attacks that occurred in Soweto in South Africa's Gauteng province, in late 2002. Nine blasts took place on 30 October 2002, leaving one woman dead and her husband severely injured. One of the blasts severely damaged a mosque, and there were other explosions on railways and petrol stations in the area. A tenth bomb later detonated outside the Nan Hua Temple in Bronkhorstspruit, east of Pretoria. At the time, it was not known whether this bomb was related to the attacks (the police later stated that it was). A white supremacist group called the Warriors of the Boer Nation claimed responsibility for the explosions, sending a message to an Afrikaans newspaper. [1]

A subsequent explosion on 28 November 2002 damaged a bridge in the area, and another damaged a police helicopter in a small airport.[2]

So we have 11 bombs of which only 1 was a dud.

 

[marine1]

Yeah, and jews are involved in a conspiracy to control the world via global banking institutions...

They are very intelligent


Yes I am sure the ANC claimed that. They claim a lot of things.

 

[marine1]

Interesting, one blast damaged a mosque ......

 

[Xarog]

They are very intelligent


Yes I am sure the ANC claimed that. They claim a lot of things.

Yeah, and you really don't see the similarity between the content of the two claims? Man, I pity you, honestly.

Interesting, one blast damaged a mosque ......

So, yes, the Boeremag is more dangerous than PAGAD. Glad you admit it.

 

[marine1]

Sorry where did I say that? Boeremag only wanted to take over SA. Pagad/Muslims want to take over the world. Appartheid SA never told me who I could pray to. Big difference. I am not talking about the race issue but rather the religious issue.

 

[d0b33]

What was that about Muslims being the cause of problems in the world again?

Small explosion near U.S. base in Japan
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1238299920070212

 

[Xarog]

Sorry where did I say that? Boeremag only wanted to take over SA. Pagad/Muslims want to take over the world. Appartheid SA never told me who I could pray to. Big difference. I am not talking about the race issue but rather the religious issue.

Without attitudes like yours, the Nazis, the Klu Klux Klan, the Boeremag, Al Qaeda, none of them could exist. You're all opposite sides of the same coin.

It doesn't matter that its unthinkable to a muslim to forcefully convert someone to Islam. It doesn't matter that Islam preaches tolerance of other religions, nor does it matter that in many islamic countries there are non-muslims who are perfectly safe and live next to muslims without any fear of being attacked because of their different religious beliefs. It doesn't matter that the ever-persecuted jews have always had a better time living among muslims compared to living among christians. None of this matters because you're filled with hatred - muslims are 'the enemy' and nothing they do can ever be good or positive. Hell, you've gone so far as to say that most of the problems in the world are caused by muslims. Goebbels would be proud.

 

[marine1]

Goebbels was in charge of propoganda no? How is what I am saying got anything to do with propoganda ? I could say the same for you.

 

[d0b33]

Without attitudes like yours, the Nazis, the Klu Klux Klan, the Boeremag, Al Qaeda, none of them could exist. You're all opposite sides of the same coin.

It doesn't matter that its unthinkable to a muslim to forcefully convert someone to Islam. It doesn't matter that Islam preaches tolerance of other religions, nor does it matter that in many islamic countries there are non-muslims who are perfectly safe and live next to muslims without any fear of being attacked because of their different religious beliefs. It doesn't matter that the ever-persecuted jews have always had a better time living among muslims compared to living among christians. None of this matters because you're filled with hatred - muslims are 'the enemy' and nothing they do can ever be good or positive. Hell, you've gone so far as to say that most of the problems in the world are caused by muslims.

Quoted for truth

 

[Xarog]

Goebbels was in charge of propoganda no? How is what I am saying got anything to do with propoganda ? I could say the same for you.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

"The people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

Goebbels would be proud to see his principle at work so marvelously in a specimen such as yourself.

But feel free to nitpick about the Goebbels line at the end and ignore the fact that you and Osama are two peas in a pod.

 

[marine1]

Hmmm interesting as I despise the Nazi's and support the Jews. Me and Osama? Oh so I am the one defending his actions here. No, you and Osama are on the same page. Go look in the mirror.

 

[Xarog]

Hmmm interesting as I despise the Nazi's and support the Jews. Me and Osama? Oh so I am the one defending his actions here.

Yeah, as I said, opposite sides of the same coin. You claim you're on the "other" side but your attitudes and beliefs are formulated the exact same way. So you despise the Nazi even though if your hatred was directed at jews instead of muslims, no one could tell you apart.

 

[marine1]

When has Israel threatened to destroy a nation because of their religion? I do not think Jews have ever done that.

 

[Xarog]

When has Israel threatened to destroy a nation because of their religion? I do not think Jews have ever done that.

For once you are absolutely correct. Israel has never made such threats - they just do it. There is no longer a viable two state solution. The occupied territories are full of jewish settlements. Palestine is a destroyed nation.

Btw, nice attempt to dodge the fact that you and bin Laden are two peas in a pod. Got any more red herrings and/or straw man arguments to add?

 

[bb_matt]

Word up, take a good LOOK at Iran and how it functions before making any decisions regarding the potential conflict with the USA.

Have a look at several aspects of life there:-

1. Religion
2. Media
3. Crime
4. Morals

Then compare with the USA and make a judgement.

Which is the country with the better moral compass?

It's a tricky question and a difficult comparison.

The way I see it, you'd have to ask the average Iranian citizen how they feel. From what I've read, by and large, they are proud of their country, a little peeved at the regime, but otherwise, really don't want a US style democracy.

This is what so many fail to understand - it's a CULTURAL issue.

I'll have to admit this, I'm on the side of Iran, because I view it as by far the lesser of the two evils.

The very fact that the USA's environmental footprint is 100 times that of Iran, that they have used atomic weapons, that they are the agressors in the middle east and that they have an obvious gameplan of agression - it's obvious.

Couple that with the fact that the average US citizen is an obese fool, well yeah.

No love for the USA from me.

Gooooo Iran !

If there is conflict, I'll be supporting them and I'll be hoping they open a large can off whoopass on the dirty stupid american canon fodder that get sent by an agressive and dangerous US administration!

The USA is on the edge folks, they are feeling huge pressure from the up and coming developing nations, China and India, and are seeking wealth in the Middle East in the form of oil and strategic positioning.

Obvious...