Shake&Bake
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That's my gripe as well with the whole situation.
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Iran To Hit Turkey
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That's my gripe as well with the whole situation.
killadoob
Honorary Master
Well not really dude, israel did not agree to have no nuclear program, iran did. So if they are building nukes it's illegal. The simple fix is too back out of the treaty then it should be fine i think. If it's fine for israel then i don't see the issue if they back out the treaty but somehow even if they didn't sign a treaty they would be treated the same way.
Yea no one should have nukes, certainly not the only country who has ever used them in a war
. The fact is we live in a world with nukes but i don't understand why we live in a world where only a certain group can have them. People will justify the nukes in WW2 but let iran nuke israel to end the war and it will go down in history for the next 500 years as a bad thing. So the world is messed up but if i was iran i would be building nukes because the west is coming for them, i doubt iran can really fight when the Americans threaten them with nukes and knowing the americans they would actually nuke iran which marine would love but he would hate if iran had to nuke israel so yea the world is messed up.
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While a good point in theory, it's far to late for that the nuclear weapons of the world won't just vanish and while it certainly isn't right for a select few countries to decide who can and can't have nuclear weapons {while they themselves have them}, considering the destructive power of nuclear weapons I for one am happy someone is trying to restrict access to and development off more nuclear weapons.
Also as to the Iran point, Iran chose to sign the non-proliferation treaty and Israel chose not to so at the end of the day they chose this path and can hardly complain about it at this point.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
I don't think it'd be wise for Iran to strike Turkey, as then they'd only add another enemy to the list. Even if the strike is aimed at NATO, if it happens on Turkish territory, it would be seen as an act of war. Turkey is at odds with Israel in certain respects, so you'd lose that leverage as well.
As for the nuclear issue: Israel acquired their weapons in the late 60's, a time when large-scale warfare was indeed a reality for them. Countries scrambled to get the most powerful weapons possible, although more as deterrents I would say, not with the outright intention of instigating outright nuclear war. It's like a dog that gets cornered and shows its teeth as a warning, saying "back off or you get these..." I don't think they'll let their weapons go soon, perhaps reasoning that they need the fallback option in case something drastic happens.
I also think it would be best for Iran not to acquire nuclear capability, and people equating their plight with that of Israel is a false equivalence, I think. No one is threatening to invade or obliterate Iran, whereas Israel enjoy no such assurances. Israel is threatening to strategically strike potential WMD developments, not to nuke Tehran.
As others have said, Iran signed the non-proliferation treaty, so if you sign the treaty then abide by the rules. Although I think their options are quite limited at this point, as backing out of the treaty would almost certainly be perceived as them wanting to develop nuclear weapons, even if that isn't the case.
It's also a little disingenuous to pretend that only the West and Israel are opposed to a nuclear Iran. The rest of the Arab states have much to fear, although they wouldn't make it so clear in public, being happy to let the West and Israel take the heat.
As for the nuclear issue: Israel acquired their weapons in the late 60's, a time when large-scale warfare was indeed a reality for them. Countries scrambled to get the most powerful weapons possible, although more as deterrents I would say, not with the outright intention of instigating outright nuclear war. It's like a dog that gets cornered and shows its teeth as a warning, saying "back off or you get these..." I don't think they'll let their weapons go soon, perhaps reasoning that they need the fallback option in case something drastic happens.
I also think it would be best for Iran not to acquire nuclear capability, and people equating their plight with that of Israel is a false equivalence, I think. No one is threatening to invade or obliterate Iran, whereas Israel enjoy no such assurances. Israel is threatening to strategically strike potential WMD developments, not to nuke Tehran.
As others have said, Iran signed the non-proliferation treaty, so if you sign the treaty then abide by the rules. Although I think their options are quite limited at this point, as backing out of the treaty would almost certainly be perceived as them wanting to develop nuclear weapons, even if that isn't the case.
It's also a little disingenuous to pretend that only the West and Israel are opposed to a nuclear Iran. The rest of the Arab states have much to fear, although they wouldn't make it so clear in public, being happy to let the West and Israel take the heat.
This is why. Watch the whole video.
[video=youtube;_9zcElqetqk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zcElqetqk&feature=related[/video]
p.s. the is just a random youtube video i found while searching for 1 minute, i'm sure there are many better, but this one should do.
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Here is another one. The basic issue is that the iranian leadership are cut fron the same cloth as malema, mugabe, hitler, etc, etc, and can't be trusted with a nuke because israel is such a small country.
[video=youtube;1YG6E_MZgXs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YG6E_MZgXs[/video]
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They should just say they're going to attack Turkey for altruistic regime change. Then it's all good.
Then Israel won't mind openly dismantling those weapons now.
Israel are still as usual attacking and threatening to attack their neighbours.
If the US can ignore treaties they sign then why not Iran?
Azbubu
Honorary Master
Do you really think that they'd let them join?
So if Iran join NATO and Israel attack Iran, the US will attack Israel. WakakakakA.
Well not really, they're not exempt from anything except sanctions as they're not breaking any laws
Iran have reaped the benefits gained from signing the treaty (the ability to legally trade nuclear tech with other signatories for peaceful purposes), yet go on to break the rules
There's no benefit to Israel signing it, so why should they?
That ambiguity is key to their survival as a nation, it keeps Iran, Syria, etc at bay
Ill add my opinion. Its Iran, no one cares what they say. Theyre known liars and their entire culture is built on lies.
It will be the funniest thing in the world to watch incompetent Iranians try take out a missile defense site... with missiles. bwhahahaha!
It will be the funniest thing in the world to watch incompetent Iranians try take out a missile defense site... with missiles. bwhahahaha!
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Well, they obviously don't feel the threat to them has ceased, so they won't. I think the difference between this conflict (in a broader sense) and other conflicts is that this isn't about territorial disputes only. Israel's enemies are seeking the total obliteration of the whole country. Against that backdrop, one can see why they would want the ultimate deterrent. We can dream, though!
As opposed to their peaceful, altruistic neighbours?
True that, hey! Like the anti-mine agreements that they try to enforce while refusing to remove their own in Korea.
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Which is what exactly? A nuclear holocaust :erm:
The_Assimilator
Executive Member
An attack on Turkey would be complete and utter madness, even for Iran; not only would they be alienating one of their most useful allies, they'd piss off NATO. The end result would be a recovery in currently deteriorating Israel-Turkey relations, which would give Israel all they need to launch a preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
tl;dr Not gonna happen.
tl;dr Not gonna happen.
hahahhahaha! It's actually quite funny isn't it? ...... Politics
You expect sane rational behaviour from the Iranians. That's madness right there
copacetic
King of the Hippies
Because Iran is an Islamic state and their are guided by their religion not to sell their souls, and the souls of those who live there ,
to the devils machinations.
The world does not need hip hop , Idols and bullcrap financials systems but we need real efforts for peace and all this talk of acceptance of homosexuals then accept the Islamic states and leave them alone.