Is Apple ARMing for war against Intel?

In the meantime Intel is also downscaling their technology, with Intel tablets and phones in the process of being introduced.
 
BeVonk! said:
Another day ... another Apple war with someone.
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At least they are making an effort to improve devices and performance for the end user.

ARM will have to make some super powerful chips for Apple to move OS X ( or 11) across to ARM...There is still quite a high demand for high end apple devices, especially in film/video industry.
 
Doesnt really matter, with Microsoft introducing x86 to the mobile/tablet market, Intel will more than make up for Apples decision to go with ARM

Not to mention the fact that iPads/IPhones are useless without servers supplying them with info, 90%+ of which are no doubt Intel based

x86 tablets are going to f*** Apple so hard, its going to be great;)
 
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If you ask me I will say it is easier for Intel to scale down to lower power consumption and heat generation than it will be for ARM to scale up to more horsepower without the heat and power consumption that comes with that. My money is on Intel.
 
I hope Apple goes with ARM. Its doomed for failure. We not in 2005 anymore Mr Apple.

watching this movie closely...
 
Intel has tried to scale down to lower power consumption and heat generation in Atom. I like the Atom concept but it hasn't pulled through on delivering an alternative to ARM which is able to scale up - although I am skeptical (but hopeful) that 64bit will work for ARM.

My money is that Apple and Intel will keep a good relationship as long as they are developing technologies together and that Apple is heavily invested in Thunderbolt so we will keep them going. Intel is facing quite a bit of pressure if you consider Microsoft jumping on with RT to the idea of ARM as a future for consumer devices.

I suspect actually that Intel may have hinted that Apple look at Itanium which has become a bit of a mess after the Oracle saga and that Apple's research team has responded that we'll sooner work towards implementing ARMv8 than covering that base. Don't be surprised if an announcement in a few months along the line of an Apple and Intel plan involving docking station power boosters which supports both Thunderbolt and Lightning connected devices (maybe there will be an Apple dock called ZEUS).
 
nivek said:
Doesnt really matter, with Microsoft introducing x86 to the mobile/tablet market, Intel will more than make up for Apples decision to go with ARM

Not to mention the fact that iPads/IPhones are useless without servers supplying them with info, 90%+ of which are no doubt Intel based

x86 tablets are going to f*** Apple so hard, its going to be great;)
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You may be right, you may be wrong.

What I dont get is that you would take joy either way.

This iHater stuff is juvenile.

Then again maybe you are a kid.
 
phiber said:
At least they are making an effort to improve devices and performance for the end user.

ARM will have to make some super powerful chips for Apple to move OS X ( or 11) across to ARM...There is still quite a high demand for high end apple devices, especially in film/video industry.
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lol, and intel hasn't made an effort to improved devices and performance for the end user ?
 
@bevonk that would be a legendary although unlikely name THOR is another possibility

Basically my money is that your current Macbook Air and whatnot range will move to an ARM architecture with a Thunderbolt device controller - requiring you to connect it to a Thunderbolt host controller. Your power users - graphic designers etc ... will have display devices connected to the controller device as well as storage systems and so on and the MacBook Air will dock.
 
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More here than simply downscaling and upscaling.

I'm not going into detail but simply put its about the instruction sets/architecture.
x86(CISC) is much larger than ARM(Advance RISC machine) and also carry some legacy balls and chains.

To truly follow the white rabbit you need to learn about RISC instruction sets 1st.

Oh and funny enough, Motorola's PowerPC's use to be based on RISC as well.
 
AlphaJohn said:
More here than simply downscaling and upscaling.

I'm not going into detail but simply put its about the instruction sets/architecture.
x86(CISC) is much larger than ARM(Advance RISC machine) and also carry some legacy balls and chains.

To truly follow the white rabbit you need to learn about RISC instruction sets 1st.

Oh and funny enough, Motorola's PowerPC's use to be based on RISC as well.
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Yep. Now the penny dropped with me. I.couldn't put my finger on it ....RISC.
 
Less relevant considering that the Core Microarchitecture on which Intel's approach is premised is essentially a RISC processor running a CISC instruction set through micro-ops.
 
Paul Hjul said:
Intel has tried to scale down to lower power consumption and heat generation in Atom. I like the Atom concept but it hasn't pulled through on delivering an alternative to ARM which is able to scale up - although I am skeptical (but hopeful) that 64bit will work for ARM.
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Look up the Intel Medfield and Clover Trail Atom-based SoC. This is Intel's successful scaling-down. They match equivalent ARM parts in speed, heat generation and battery life. Intel's done very well scaling down. ARM hasn't made any significant inroads in scaling up.

Yes, you hear stories about running a 5W ARM-based web server or something, and that's very cute, but in the real world there's not much use for that, and now that Intel's scaled down to match ARM's more powerful parts, Intel's far better equipped to scale their solution up, as they've already got decades of experience in that part of the CPU market.

I hope ARM does do great things, but my money's on Intel. And if ARM does look promising, Intel can just buy a license and make their own ARM chips - they used to make the best ones around, the XScale series, before they sold that department off.
 
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