IS hardcapping!

hj2k_x said:
...they will still come back for more, still pay more , and in so doing contribute to the problem of DSL and telecommuincations here in south africa!
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At last! I've converted a forumite! :D

hj, as soon as we get this point to be understood by the other forumites, only then we will be able to really do something about the whole mess!

BTW, welcome to the real consumers! :D
 
ettubrute said:
At last! I've converted a forumite! :D

hj, as soon as we get this point to be understood by the other forumites, only then we will be able to really do something about the whole mess!

BTW, welcome to the real consumers! :D
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Thanks man, but you dont have to think of me as converted- i have thought this way all along! It just gets me so angry that noone else seems to understand it.

People are on here bitching every day about Telkom, or IS or SAIX or Vodacom or this or that, but if you ask them to actually do anything about it then they are so quick to shut up. It just makes me sick.
 
Ok, sorry then! From your previous posts I had the feeling you where also one of those you mention now... :o

Will you help me to convert the rest, though? :)
 
ettubrute said:
Ok, sorry then! From your previous posts I had the feeling you where also one of those you mention now... :o

Will you help me to convert the rest, though? :)
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Dude, seriously i am so keen to try to convert them! It will mean so much to everyone and to this country if we could get more people on board. You got any ideas??
 
Have been trying to start up a real consumer body for some time now, although offline. Will try to put some thoughts on the forum...

Also, need to contact Debbie2, w1z4rd, MaryJane, Peapod and the likes, cause I think they're trying to do something similar...
 
ettubrute said:
Have been trying to start up a real consumer body for some time now, although offline. Will try to put some thoughts on the forum...

Also, need to contact Debbie2, w1z4rd, MaryJane, Peapod and the likes, cause I think they're trying to do something similar...
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Excellent. Well let me know ur progress. As i said i am keen!
 
hj2k_x said:
1. It is not a bad attitude to have at all. Your attitude is what is costing us and south africa. Whilst you may well be happy to sit back and take whatever is given to you, there are many out there who are not satisfied with the poor standard of telecommunication in this country and want to see something done about it.

2. If they didnt want it to be 'abused' then why on earth were they not hard-capping from day one? What did they expect to happen?

3. All the constant whinging is because the uncapped local was IMHO one of the few bastions of decent internet capablilities left to us and now it gone.
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I do believe you are being rough on IS. They are in business to make a profit. They pay Telskum at every opportunity. For the peering link, for the SAT3 bandwidth, etc. They even have to wait for Telskum to install their links. IS would have budgeted for a certain amount of bandwidth. The guys using more the 30GB would have been using up a serious amount of the peering link which is probably why there were so many people complaining about the ADSL IS performance. The problem is that people who get a free lunch every day for a week complain when they don't get it the next week. IS are not obligated to provide any more then their contract amount. If you want to blame anyone, blame Telksum who made R6.9 billion last year.

Cheers

Abe
 
Abe said:
I do believe you are being rough on IS. They are in business to make a profit. They pay Telskum at every opportunity. For the peering link, for the SAT3 bandwidth, etc. They even have to wait for Telskum to install their links. IS would have budgeted for a certain amount of bandwidth. The guys using more the 30GB would have been using up a serious amount of the peering link which is probably why there were so many people complaining about the ADSL IS performance. The problem is that people who get a free lunch every day for a week complain when they don't get it the next week. IS are not obligated to provide any more then their contract amount. If you want to blame anyone, blame Telksum who made R6.9 billion last year.

Cheers

Abe
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I DO blame Telkom!!! They are at the root of all SA's DSL and other telecommunications problems!

You surely cannot blame me, though, for not being happy with the latest turn of events as far as hardcapping local is concerned?
 
Keenyn said:
You cant justify any limited hard cap for local no matter how much you try, its a rip off.
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There are some things that I have a problem with regarding torrents etc but I won't go into those as that discussion is just about opinion and will go nowhere. This statement above however I do have a problem with. How much do you think IS pays for the Peering links with SAIX? You obviously think it is free otherwise you would not have made a statement like this. I may be mistaken but for P2P traffic, IS pay double. Once up and once back down. At the very least they pay for all of the local surfing. Even when the traffic is on their network, they pay. They do not own the ADSL infrastructure.

Cheers

Abe
 
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hj2k_x said:
You surely cannot blame me, though, for not being happy with the latest turn of events as far as hardcapping local is concerned?
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I was just amazed at the backlash by people who were already using more then they paid for. Things like "What bs is this. They give you such bad speeds during business hours already and now they are making it worse.IS is more like telkom than anyone thinks" are really unfair.

Cheers

Abe
 
Abe said:
I was just amazed at the backlash by people who were already using more then they paid for. Things like "What bs is this. They give you such bad speeds during business hours already and now they are making it worse.IS is more like telkom than anyone thinks" are really unfair.

Cheers

Abe
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Oh right. I see what you are saying. I was not one of those people. I am just very disappointed with what IS have done. I know they are well within their rights but i am still disappointed! :(
 
hj2k_x said:
Oh right. I see what you are saying. I was not one of those people. I am just very disappointed with what IS have done. I know they are well within their rights but i am still disappointed! :(
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In my original post I said "I do believe you are being rough" which was wrong. It's easy to see a whole bunch of messages and just reply to one of them :). My bad.

Cheers

Abe
 
Abe said:
In my original post I said "I do believe you are being rough" which was wrong. It's easy to see a whole bunch of messages and just reply to one of them :). My bad.

Cheers

Abe
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Cool m8, no worries :)
 
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I have 2 telkom accounts which was already a rip for 6GB of international but local was free, which why I needed ADSL mainly. Then they bend us over, rape us by hardcapping accounts. And the general public still say,"Please sir can I have sum More".

So when they introduced hardcap on local I had to get another connection which would supply that need for local bandwidth. My server is up 24/7 and has to be linked to the net.

So I thought bugger those telkom scum and decided to give the business to the opposition. Now that they have enough users they want to also ride on the gravy train?

As far as I understand IS have thier own local bandwidth infustructure, hence the uncapped local. If they now start doing what telscum have done, they are in for a rude awaking. I know of at least 20 ppl with IS accounts and they will cancel and so will I if the 30 GB Hardcap comes into play.

This is why the have become so successful since the Hardcap was introduced in the first place. If there is no service provider that can give the service we after, (Uncapped local) then why pay more for the same service when you can go to the devil (telkom) and pay a lesser rate??

IS better think carefully before their they implement They had a little rep when telkom was free local however their claim to glory was by sites like this one and Hellkom giving them praise on the scene about unlimited local bandwidth etc.......

Surely you guys dont think it was their fab. marketing?? *lol*:eek: No, it was word of mouth.

Afterall that why we got ADSL so we can surf faster, download, play online and stream music, TV and movies..... 3GB was alot back in the stone ages, when computers were coming out with a 20GB Hard drive and that was ubber cool.. Now what the entry level when you buy a PC, 80GB.... Clearly programs, files movies etc are all getting bigger therefore the need for bigger storage and more GBs.......

Doesn’t take an Einstein to figure it out.:rolleyes:

In closing, I suggest that IS upgrade their infustructure to meet the demand of people switching from Telkom to IS for the "free" Local bandwidth. Either that or risk losing all the business back to telkom... it your choice.... thats reality and it bites. There is no loyalty when it comes to money. I will (and I am sure most users) go for the better and cheaper option with the most benefits, bottom line. ADSL is expensive enough as it is... bottom line.
 
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ettubrute said:
The people screwing themselves, us and SA are the goons that get the latest, fastest and best available options regardless of the price they have to pay, just to have it! And don't tell me you need it! That's BS! With my dial-up connection I still manage to drive a very successful IT business, including web stuff!
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Be serious ettu, do you think Telkom or anyone else would have continued with DSL in SA if there had been no initial uptake?

The so called abusers aswell as the rich idiots who would be better off on dial up have both driven the growth of the technology all over the world.
Growth is driven by growing demand, prices drop with uptake.

Its not happening as quckly here for reasons we are all well aware of, but almost every country with cheap broadband started out with the same carp were fighting against now.
 
And in those "almost every country", who do you think forced the prices down? The governments? NO! THE CONSUMERS!!!!!

In the Netherlands it went like this: KPN introduced ADSL, being the only fixed-line operator. Prices where extremely high! Next thing that happens, is that the consumer body of the NL public is hammering on the governments doors, demanding better regulation of prices, and competition! It came to marches to government buildings, sometimes getting really out of hand! Then the market was opened very quickly, since there is nothing governments fear more than public unrest! But that wasn't enough for the consumers... Next step was to get government to give OPTA (their regulator) real teeth... And all the while KPN was trying to defend itself like Telkom does, but the consumers drove the issue into parliment buildings, so government had to act!

And that is what we sorely miss in South Africa... :(
 
Keenyn said:
As far as I understand IS have thier own local bandwidth infustructure, hence the uncapped local. If they now start doing what telscum have done, they are in for a rude awaking. I know of at least 20 ppl with IS accounts and they will cancel and so will I if the 30 GB Hardcap comes into play.
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This is in no way fair on IS.

1. They are capping you at 30Gb minimum. This is 10 times what Telkom are working down towards.
2. Bandwidth costs $$$. IS suffer at the hands of Telkom and get royally screwed by them.
3. Does a business who has to pay fortunes to Telkom really need low-paying users who use a lot of bandwidth ( way over what they budgeted for )?


Keenyn said:
This is why the have become so successful since the Hardcap was introduced in the first place. If there is no service provider that can give the service we after, (Uncapped local) then why pay more for the same service when you can go to the devil (telkom) and pay a lesser rate??
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Because you will get capped MUCH earlier.

Keenyn said:
I suggest that IS upgrade their infustructure to meet the demand of people switching from Telkom to IS for the "free" Local bandwidth. Either that or risk losing all the business back to telkom... it your choice.... thats reality and it bites.
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It is not free local bandwidth. It is up to 30Gb. It is way more than Telkom . Infrastructure costs money.

If you want uncapped then buy an uncapped account.

The root of all this trouble is Telkom, not IS who have to pay them their ridiculous rates.
 
pip said:
This is in no way fair on IS.

1. They are capping you at 30Gb minimum. This is 10 times what Telkom are working down towards.
2. Bandwidth costs $$$. IS suffer at the hands of Telkom and get royally screwed by them.
3. Does a business who has to pay fortunes to Telkom really need low-paying users who use a lot of bandwidth ( way over what they budgeted for )?




Because you will get capped MUCH earlier.



It is not free local bandwidth. It is up to 30Gb. It is way more than Telkom . Infrastructure costs money.

If you want uncapped then buy an uncapped account.

The root of all this trouble is Telkom, not IS who have to pay them their ridiculous rates.
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///me agrees with pip. Well said son!
 
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