Is Java A Language For Sissies ? What's your take ?

semaphore said:
No but if you're going to come across that you know everything least have your facts straight. Windows needs a license IIS doesnt, Mono has been going 8 years its production usable for people that want to run products on linux they will obviously need to test it thoroughly on that environment. Technically IIS isnt bundled you have to install it ;)
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Hamster said:
I'm learning as we go along
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I'm still far away from knowing everything. You know this client of ours STILL refuses to move from .NET 3.5 to .NET 4 nevermind 4.5. They want stability. Can you imagine what they would say if we recommended Mono? Now I know this is an isolated case but I'm sure it's not the only client that feels this way.

Now tell me (cos you know Mono better), as far as I know Mono is .NET (cross platform) but with reduced functionality. The core components are there but the fancier stuff which sets it apart from Java is still missing. So if this is the case surely it is better to just use Java instead? Is it up to date with some specific version of .NET?
 
Hamster said:
I'm still far away from knowing everything. You know this client of ours STILL refuses to move from .NET 3.5 to .NET 4 nevermind 4.5. They want stability. Can you imagine what they would say if we recommended Mono? Now I know this is an isolated case but I'm sure it's not the only client that feels this way.

Now tell me (cos you know Mono better), as far as I know Mono is .NET (cross platform) but with reduced functionality. The core components are there but the fancier stuff which sets it apart from Java is still missing. So if this is the case surely it is better to just use Java instead? Is it up to date with some specific version of .NET?
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Latest Release:

C# 5.0 (Unified for all profiles)
IKVM Reflection or Cecil powered C# compiler
SGen: Precise stack scanning
Tuned Parallel Frameworks
Complete .NET 4.5 core support
Async APIs in all core libraries
Tail call optimizations for F#
Ships Microsoft's open sourced stacks:
ASP.NET MVC 4
ASP.NET WebPages
Entity Framework
Razor
System.Json (replaces our own)
Features that have already shipped out of band:

MonoMac and MonoMac bundler
IronPython, IronRuby and F# bundled with Mono


So its 4.5 feature complete.

Unsupported:

Windows Presentation Foundation
We are not working on any of the following deprecated APIs:

System.EnterpriseServices
WSE - Extensions to System.Web.Services.
Workflow Foundation 3 (WF3)
Code Access Security (.NET 1.0).


Yes i think you can compile to lower version of .NET i havnt tried myself.
 
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biometrics said:
Oh and Assembler, just haven't in the past 10 years.

Most fun I've ever had coding.
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Only time i used assembly was for math optimizations and PIC programming. But i wont go down that route again.
 
semaphore said:
Only time i used assembly was for math optimizations and PIC programming. But i wont go down that route again.
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Yip, did 80x86, PIC and 8051 in the 80's and 90's and a bit in the 00's. (a bit, ha ha)

If you want to reverse engineer stuff, e.g. dissecting a virus etc, it's the only way to do it.
 
Hamster & Semaphore... please behave... I value all opinions from both of you... Let us not use filthy words against each other...
Some of us Look up to you... because you are both grandmasters of this forum...
Lets show each other some love ,for the forum's sake... PLEASE
 
biometrics said:
Yip, did 80x86, PIC and 8051 in the 80's and 90's and a bit in the 00's. (a bit, ha ha)

If you want to reverse engineer stuff, e.g. dissecting a virus etc, it's the only way to do it.
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Most viruses these days are written in higher level languages, but yeah i remember playing around with oligomorphic routines in viruses good ol days :)
 
Chabanga said:
Hamster & Semaphore... please behave... I value all opinions from both of you... Let us not use filthy words against each other...
Some of us Look up to you... because you are both grandmasters of this forum...
Lets show each other some love ,for the forum's sake... PLEASE
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Filthy words are you like 5?
 
Let me thank everyone who has responded to this thread... your opinions were very much appreciated...

REMEMBER : It's bad manners not to thank the people who've given their efforts to respond to your thread... lots of love... THANKS
 
Chabanga said:
Hamster & Semaphore... please behave... I value all opinions from both of you... Let us not use filthy words against each other...
Some of us Look up to you... because you are both grandmasters of this forum...
Lets show each other some love ,for the forum's sake... PLEASE
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Not sure if serious.
 
I hear Microsoft is canning VB.Net with the next .Net version.

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Apparently both of the users are very upset.
 
Chabanga said:
Hamster & Semaphore... please behave... I value all opinions from both of you... Let us not use filthy words against each other...
Some of us Look up to you... because you are both grandmasters of this forum...
Lets show each other some love ,for the forum's sake... PLEASE
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Haha - any chance to take a dig, will be taken, that is the sake of THIS forum. Why so serious? :p

Interesting thread, guys.
 
I've worked with VB, VB.net, Coldfusion, Java, C#, ASP.net, ASP.net MVC (learnt/worked on in that order). My language of choice is definitely C# and ASP.Net MVC (technically not a language), and it trumps Java mainly because of all the developer tools available, excellent online resources, and the pace of innovation. Visual Studio is simply awesome, and the library of plugins and extensions to make development easier is simply amazing. There is nothing out there that can beat it, and whoever tells you otherwise is a complete knob.

Regarding innovation, the following are awesome:
ASP.Net MVC
Linq-to-SQL
Entity Framework
C# Extensions
WPF
WCF
etc.
 
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The hardest devs are Ada programmers (that's Software Engineers to you sonny!). Scientific fact.

Chuck Norris writes all his code in Ada (like when he designs a drone to launch a missile to kill you dead or is updating his website.) Then he debugs his code by compiling it in his head and typing it in machine code in realtime using his number pad. Not that Chuck Norris has ever written code with a bug in it but you don't get to be Chuck Norris by being slack.
 
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