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This is still peanuts:

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/ADSL/4835.html

Consumers want the real deal - Unlimited or at least 3 times more gigs per month for the same price that is paid for standard packages per month.

Hopefuly SAIX accounts will be sold for much cheaper, very soon.
6 gigs is roughly R250.00, so an ideal ratio would be something like:
18 gigs = R250.00 even for a 384kbps circuit.

Dont what what your opinions would be? anybody...
 
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Those rockets scientists...
If you have been a Cybersmart subscriber for two years or longer, your cap will grow at 3MB per day for life.
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So this time next year Cybersmart will be 'giving' you an extra gig on your cap. Whoopee!

TI already does this and offers it to all. You don't have to have paid up for 2 years to benefit from getting more than your standard cap.
 
bonobo_slr said:
Those rockets scientists...


So this time next year Cybersmart will be 'giving' you an extra gig on your cap. Whoopee!

TI already does this and offers it to all. You don't have to have paid up for 2 years to benefit from getting more than your standard cap.
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You actually got me out of bed for this one! :mad: :sick:

Have you lost your mind? Damn this propoganda is ridiculous!

Naturally Telkom Internet can offer more - they are the monopoly! SAIX=Telscum!

TI doesn't end up paying what all other ISP's have to for wholesale bandwidth - and you know this.

So please, don't draw the comparison between the 2 - because clearly the little guy is at a loss.

So 3MB doesn't mean much to your or I, but their would be people that care about it - and it shows innovation - something that TI and its holding kuntany lacks!

EDIT: Also there is an existing thread: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=131416
 
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Shake&Bake said:
TI doesn't end up paying what all other ISP's have to for wholesale bandwidth - and you know this.
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? I think you are now out of your mind. TI has to purchase usage from SAIX just like every other ISP has to. We receive no favours just because we are Telkom Internet. It can actually be argued that we get a sh1tty deal from SAIX because of who we are.

We may pay a little less than, say cybersmart, but only because we purchase more - which is the case of most businesses...

I am not saying that the price SAIX sells usage for is correct. I am saying that there is nothing innovative in 'rewarding' customers that have paid up for 2 years - by offering them 1Gb only in a years time.
 
bonobo_slr said:
I am not saying that the price SAIX sells usage for is correct. I am saying that there is nothing innovative in 'rewarding' customers that have paid up for 2 years - by offering them 1Gb only in a years time.
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I have to agree with that. It seems more like a gimmick than anything of any value. Plus, I think by now everyone's hopes are on the undersea cable which will be landing on our shores in June, next year.

*sticks to Nexus & his semi-shaped IS account*
 
bonobo_slr said:
? I think you are now out of your mind. TI has to purchase usage from SAIX just like every other ISP has to. We receive no favours just because we are Telkom Internet. It can actually be argued that we get a sh1tty deal from SAIX because of who we are.

We may pay a little less than, say cybersmart, but only because we purchase more - which is the case of most businesses...

I am not saying that the price SAIX sells usage for is correct. I am saying that there is nothing innovative in 'rewarding' customers that have paid up for 2 years - by offering them 1Gb only in a years time.
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It may not be such a big reward as local bandwidth after your blended, but seriously now...

It all boils down to the fact that the lines are blurred and Telkom as whole has not and feels it does not have to answer to anyone - including toothless ICASA.
TI certainly carries, or rather has benefits of a volume based business, this due to it being a subsidiary of the monopoly.
And because of it being affiliated to the monopoly it piggy backs on benefits.

Anyway - I leave it to the following article:
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Telkom ADSL wholesale under fire.

Rudolph Muller, MyBroadband
18 June, 2008 08:37:00[/URL]

Telkom has long been blamed for anti-competitive practices in the telecoms market, and the latest accusations are aimed at its wholesale ADSL model.

Looking at some basic pricing models quickly highlights the difficulties facing many ISPs trying to take on Telkom/SAIX in the ADSL wholesale market.

Telkom’s ADSL wholesale division, SAIX, is selling shaped ADSL bandwidth at prices generally ranging between R40 and R50 a GB. This is typically what most smaller ISPs resell to their subscribers, but what if an ISP decides to provision its own bandwidth?
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IPC costs

Any internet service provider looking at competing against SAIX in the wholesale market must use Telkom’s IP Connect (IPC) product, typically raging in price from around R22 085 for a 2Mbps ATM connection to R368 334 for a 126Mbps ATM connection.
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So while Telkom/SAIX is selling bandwidth for rates of around R40 per GB upwards, ISPs using Telkom’s IPC service for wholesale ADSL products must look at rates of nearly double that just to cover the cost of its IPC connection.
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ISPA’s Ant Brooks explains: “The key problem with IPC remains that Telkom itself does not pay an IPC cost to connect to its own ADSL network. Because there is no separation between 'Telkom the infrastructure provider' and 'Telkom the provider of SAIX wholesale services', it is anyone's guess how the underlying costs for the ADSL network are allocated internally by Telkom (if at all).”
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Brooks said that based on the current ADSL pricing model by Telkom he has to question what exactly each party is paying for. “Why do consumers have to pay local traffic charges to Telkom if their ISPs are also paying for Telkom to carry consumer traffic to them,” asks Brooks.
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Shake&Bake said:
It may not be such a big reward as local bandwidth after your blended, but seriously now...

It all boils down to the fact that the lines are blurred and Telkom as whole has not and feels it does not have to answer to anyone - including toothless ICASA.
TI certainly carries, or rather has benefits of a volume based business, this due to it being a subsidiary of the monopoly.
And because of it being affiliated to the monopoly it piggy backs on benefits.

Anyway - I leave it to the following article:
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[URL="http://mybroadband.co.za/news/ADSL/4165.html"]
Telkom ADSL wholesale under fire.

Rudolph Muller, MyBroadband
18 June, 2008 08:37:00[/URL]
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Again - I don't disagree. My point is that we (Telkom Internet) do not benefit. We do not utilize IPC (as it is too expensive) and have to pay for usage from SAIX like all other ISPs. It may not seem it to most people but there is a difference between Telkom & Telkom Internet.
 
bonobo_slr said:
Again - I don't disagree. My point is that we (Telkom Internet) do not benefit. We do not utilize IPC (as it is too expensive) and have to pay for usage from SAIX like all other ISPs. It may not seem it to most people but there is a difference between Telkom & Telkom Internet.
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Could you have a look at the books and provide some inside info :p ;)

Anyway, I'll leave it at that...
 
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