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ISPs and iOS shaping, your thoughts?
- Thread starter Necuno
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Damn, I hate it when iOS updates get in the way of my ROM downloads too :twisted:
HavocXphere
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OP is banned from all mybb discussions until he/she demonstrates a reasonable understanding of shaping.
oh and thats pretty bleak for a mybb member with 10 year history.
SauRoNZA
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Was about to say the same thing.
I wish I could shape that stuff as well as the OP claims it's happening.
Necuno
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Or perhaps prepare for this?
Its no mystery when its going to happen; this seems to have replaced the old beginning and end of the month where uncapped was practically unusable.
ranger
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Maybe:
-Apple should progressively roll OS updates over a week (maybe by model?) out instead of all at once?
-Apple users should take advantage of various ISPs off-peak free data to update their devices, instead of when there is peak demand on the ISP networks?
The ISP's should cache the Apple updates onto local servers.
In Linux you can choose the fastest server to download updates from and Linux iso's are hosted on university and data centers in South Africa.
I don't get it, the Apple updates are about 900-1200MB in size and there are probably less than 10 million(guess) Apple devices in the country, how can this slow down almost all ISP's network?
If you take a 4 mbps connection, one person's device's updates should take less than 1 hour.
I think it's just a lame excuse so that ISP's give people slower connections for a while and we pay for higher prices so they make more money.
In Linux you can choose the fastest server to download updates from and Linux iso's are hosted on university and data centers in South Africa.
I don't get it, the Apple updates are about 900-1200MB in size and there are probably less than 10 million(guess) Apple devices in the country, how can this slow down almost all ISP's network?
If you take a 4 mbps connection, one person's device's updates should take less than 1 hour.
I think it's just a lame excuse so that ISP's give people slower connections for a while and we pay for higher prices so they make more money.
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Of course this also happens with:
Android updates,
Windows service packs,
Latest mmo,
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...It's always the finger pointing towards the user.
I suppose that post never happened where of Ranger and the peak shot; there's demand peak outside the "office hours" more than within.
Let's rather set the shape and throttle than proactively getting off hands and prepare. Dis mos nou lekker daai
ShoalDiverSA
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If you're referring to the size of the downloads, you've highlighted the wrong part of the quote. The actual download was between 1 and 2 GBs for iPhones and iPads, at least from what I saw in my household.
Apologies in advance if I misunderstood the intent of your post.
EDIT: Checked sizes of .ipsw files:
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ShoalDiverSA
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I didn't notice any shaping on my iOS updates last night. The downloads were all at maximum line speed. I suspect the huge demand from those who couldn't wait a day or two to click the Update button put significant pressure on various the ISPs' bandwidth.
MickeyD
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I was also trying to point out that quite a few Apple owners have not yet downloaded the update due to space limitations, so the full impact has yet to be felt. I know that I have not... as my wife must move some of her data off. And she's not happy!!
Doing the OTA update required 4.7gb of free space available on my wife's iPhone. If you do the update via iTunes available space isnt an issue.
FWIW Apple still uses Akamai to serve it's updates so they would have been local.
Yeah I'm sorry I don't buy it! I stream more than that a night! So what the ISP's are saying is that they can't manage their users doing more than 2GB of traffic a night?? Also Apple throttled the downloads on their side to about 150kb/s per file. This I got from friends downloading via different ISP's.
Apple shouldn't do anything. Users need to be more responsible for their own usage. I don't even use Fruity devices and I have been affected since the iOS 8 roll out.
The whole DSL system relies on users to pay for their own package and only use it at different times then other users. Million people trying to drink from one straw but if everyone would only take turns.
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Apple/Akamai/Microsoft/CNet all large companies distribute their download servers and unfortunately to avoid them crashing they have the limit the bandwidth to these servers. Imagine if 2 million (just guessing here) US Apple users tried to do updates to a farm of 10 servers, they would not cope. Not even mentioning the millions of Windows users downloading patches worldwide!
MickeyD
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Hmmm.... back to the net neutrality debate?
ShoalDiverSA
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Ah, thought I'd missed your point.
My daughter had the same issue with her iPad (16GB), so I updated it via iTunes on my laptop. Connect USB cable, trust the PC on your iPad/iPhone, then select the Update option. Took around 2 hours on a 4Mbps line to get the update and apply it.
No need to delete anything off the device.
If you're updating a lot of devices of the same type, you can download the IPSW files directly. The links and instructions are here: http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/ios-8-direct-download-links-for-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch-594053