Israel a mistake

but by the VERY THOUGHT of a Jewish state.
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They seem to have been correct to worry about and oppose the formation of such a state in their midst.
 
Ehud is a liar. The IDF views Arabs the same way the SADF viewed black people - vermin that should be wiped out.
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I think so too...

Ive been to Israel and Arabs are treated like dirt by some Israelis

I had a bad experience aswell...
When I was there I had tanned quite a bit, went for a walk with my top over my head cause the sun was killing me, then out of knowhere I got grapped by the secret police... who frisked me
they let me go once I showed them my SA passport.

I get that there out to stop terrorists but that was pretty harsh
 
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These people all have to be freaking retards to fight over a piece of desert. I'd rather go find an uninhabited island, take all the hot women with me and leave the cows behind.
 
Humans are so stupid

Can someone please tell me what Israel has done to be hated so much for just existing. :confused: Exclude the current violence in the arguments. Who started it in the first place and who has been breaking peace accords or never signed peace accords. Please tell me what is going to be so terrible to the countries around Israel if Israel were left alone to exist in peace?
This hate has no reason, has no foundation and has no grounds. It is silly and childish and a shame on humanity. :mad:
I suppose no one can reason against insanity and Godlike euphoria that some leaders in the Middle East have.
Power corrupts and it takes soulless minds to abuse that power and harness the evil we see all over the world in so-called religion frenzies
 
noxibox said:
Both sides are terrorists. Israel is just more heavily armed and better funded.

Blowing up the houses of alleged suicide bombers is a terror tactic. You are correct there. It isn't all that effective apparently since it hasn't scared their opponents.

Ehud is a liar. The IDF views Arabs the same way the SADF viewed black people - vermin that should be wiped out.

I'm sure if Hizbollah had the superior firepower they'd be more than happy to just take their conflict into Israel. Reverse the positions then the Israelis would be fighting from civilian buildings.

It's quite difficult to figure out which side has more terrorists.

No-one comes out of this with the moral high ground. Israel has been murdering Palestinians and generally breaking international law right up until just before they launched what is now known to have been a planned attack on Lebanon. The PLO, Hamas, Hizbollah and whoever else can neither claim to be on the side of right.

The Palestinians should long ago have abandoned violence to take the moral high ground. They would quickly and easily have been able to expose the ruthless ambitions of Israel's leaders.
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If you read my post you will see I back it up with sources. Yours is pure conjecture. You also misquoted me (in bold) I never said they were "alleged" suicide bombers, they do this after the terrorists have blown themselves and others up already, I also never said "terror tactic" I said deterrent.

I do however agree with you that both sides are at fault. But in my opinion if Hamas had stopped there terrorist activities and gone purely political, there would now be peace (at least with Hamas) and the accusation that Israel would continue these supposed atrocities on the Palestinians is completely unfounded. he Palestinians were offered more land then the original UN partition plan called for at Camp David, but instead of accepting it they started The second Intifadah

Your argument about "If Hizbollah had more weapons they would take the fight to Israel and Israel would be fighting from civilian buildings is irrelevant, as Israel was not the aggressor, Hizbollah was. Who are they to complain that they are outnumbered and out-weaponed when they initiated the hostilities?
 
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Truth is there has never been lasting peace in the region
Battle of Megiddo refers to one of three major battles fought near the ancient site of Megiddo in the Jezreel Valley of northern Israel. Of these, the first is by far the most common allusion:

* Battle of Megiddo (15th century BC) - between Egyptian forces under the pharaoh Thutmose III and a large Canaanite coalition
* Battle of Megiddo (609 BC)
* Battle of Megiddo (1918) - between British / Commonwealth forces and the Ottoman Empire
* Armageddon- Megiddo, in Christian tradition, will be the site of the last battle between good and evil.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Megiddo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megiddo_(place)

the crusades
The Crusades were a series of military campaigns—usually sanctioned by the Papacy—that took place during the 11th through 13th centuries. Originally, they were Roman Catholic Holy Wars to recapture Jerusalem and the Holy Land from the Muslims, but some were directed against other targets, such as the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars of southern France, the Northern Crusades, and the Fourth Crusade which conquered Constantinople
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lots more at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish-Roman_Wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_conflict
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah
 
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dobbez said:
I think so too...

Ive been to Israel and Arabs are treated like dirt by some Israelis
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weeelll "some" israeli's.. you get the good and the bad on both sides.. but incase you didnt know until recently Israel was the only Middle Eastern country that arabs were allowed to vote in..They are entitled to everything Jewish Israeli citizens are, and they dont even have to serve in the army unlike Jewish citizens..

And then on the other hand, Jews arent even allowed in most Arab countries..

I got stopped at Madrid Airport, TWICE on seperate ocassions, pulled out of a crowd of a few 1000 people, by undercover cops.. Its the times we live in.. and its in every country..

Where you have people randomly blowing themselves up in crowded area's, countries have the full right to protect their citizens, especially in Israel..
 
killadoob said:
there would be no problems if religeon didnt exist
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Firstly you cannot blame religion itself for this problem (to be honest I can understand if some people take offence to that statement) - you can blame those who are fundementalists - those who follow the Bible like an instruction manual etc. I prefere to think of religion as an addition to the way you live your life.

Secondaly re the current argument - each side has a very good argument, read your history books - the Israleas were kicked out of the region 2000 years ago by the Romans and the Palisinians moved in a while later.

Each side believes they have a claim to the area, and the occupation of it by the British just before Israel was formed didn't help matters

It is because each side has it's claim that the only solution will be a two-state solution, unless each side can learn to live side-by-side (chances...)

So if you want to blame anyone it's the Romans and British :D
 
swordfish1 said:
I think israelis can relocate in Aliaska :D
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You must have meant Alaska. Then the Russians would be up in arms because they sold it to the USA and now Bush gives it to the Israeli’s. The Polar Bears would start terrorizing the Canadians as it is the nearest neighbors. Soon the Mexicans would start revolting because the Alaskans have more oil than they. And worse the Middle East would moan because they have no more causes to be terrorists.
Now do you really want to relocate Israel?
 
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You must have meant Alaska. Then the Russians would be up in arms because they sold it to the USA and now Bush gives it to the Israeli’s. The Polar Bears would start terrorizing the Canadians as it is the nearest neighbors. Soon the Mexicans would start revolting because the Alaskans have more oil than they. And worse the Middle East would moan because they have no more causes to be terrorists.
Now do you really want to relocate Israel?
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damn! :D
 
Some people say that the Israelis are at fault but I don't agree.

Didn't Israel forcibly remove their own people from the Gaaza strip to help peace negotiations?(Saw the Carte Blanch edition on that)

Didn't Israel build a big bloody wall to keep out all the people all the people who hate them?(Remember every country that borders on Israel has at some point sworn to destroy them)

Israel gets painted in a very unfair light by the media.94.7 reported on the proposed UN action that said Israel had to withdraw but the terrorists didn't have to release the soldiers but still they(Terrorists) weren't happy.

And to all of you ignorant enough to call Israel terrorists just think what the deathrate would have been if Israel actually targeted the civilian population.

I still think that someone who deliberately attacks a civilian population is a terrorist and that someone who hides behind his own civilians is a coward and a traitor to his own people.

One of the Arab nations recently made a very negative remark toward Israel and Tony Blair said "How is that helping?" I think it's a east meets west type of situation and that it won't be resolved in our lifetime.One side is happy to use their own population as meatshields while the other has trained soldiers who are willing to protect their people with their lives
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Just my opinion tho
 
Creed said:
I still think that someone who deliberately attacks a civilian population is a terrorist and that someone who hides behind his own civilians is a coward and a traitor to his own people.
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^5
 
Creed said:
And to all of you ignorant enough to call Israel terrorists just think what the deathrate would have been if Israel actually targeted the civilian population..
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add to that the fact that the reports of civilian death and damage to infrastructure has been blown way out of preportion by the media.. (well, what you see on the news is what hezbollah wants you to see)
 
Obelix once said in the cartoons: 'These Romans are crazy' I think the same could be said: 'These Middle Easterns are off their rockers" They have rabies and boils and scabs - all of them in their minds as they curse each other. The Middle East is a sick and tradgic blot on everyone.
 
nivek said:
add to that the fact that the reports of civilian death and damage to infrastructure has been blown way out of preportion by the media.. (well, what you see on the news is what hezbollah wants you to see)
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Ja those Lebanese and Palestinians are big time, international media moguls.
 
Zionism: The forming of a Jewish State

Quoted by Tele....
Can someone please tell me what Israel has done to be hated so much for just existing. Exclude the current violence in the arguments. Who started it in the first place and who has been breaking peace accords or never signed peace accords. Please tell me what is going to be so terrible to the countries around Israel if Israel were left alone to exist in peace?
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Zionism was happening as early as the 1890's. With most immegrants coming from the Eastern European countries, due to the the Polgroms(attacking and cleaning out of Jewish Grottos) Zionists applied for Nationhood through the 1920's-1930's via the League of Nations (United Nations but pre-war11) In a nutshell in order to for the Brits to control the Middle-East during the war. (Palestine was under their control) They promised the Jew's the State of Palistine as a Jewish state if they fight the Nazi's (Concentration camps were not commen knowledge then) and they would ratify it in the United Nations. At the same time, in order to not piss off the Palestinians they said they could have a form of independence. Must take into account the Palestinians were not a a formal Nation, but was made up of secular warlords or princes or what the hell they called arab men of power who suck the blood out of there impoverished diminions. However immediately after the war the Brits found they were losing power across the Middle East and in order to to keep a sembmlence of control they felt they couldnt piss off all the Arab leaders in the other States so they renegaded on their deal with the Zionists. They blockaded the ports into Israel and generally made it very difficult for the Jews in Palestines. They Jews in Israel and Jews in Europe who after the war had lost there sense of patrionism(understandably) decided to say bugger-it and the mass exodus to Palestine started. The Brits put the full might of the Empire to stop it but where unsuccessful. Thus with the Jews pissed off with the continous fobbing off in the League of Nations and later United Nations and the UN resolution only just passed (with the help of the good'ol US of A) they formed a Israeli State by force, with the Brits supporting the Palestines with arms and explosives. The initial retaluation by Palestinians was organised and executed by ex-warlords who had lost their source of income. The rest is history. The scary thing that nobody mentions at the moment is in this conflict is that both the controlling elements of Israel and Palestine are Fanatics, but Israel has got nuclear weapons. Tick, tock, tick, tock,..........
 
Pogroms, and the other word you were looking for is ghetto's, not grotto's.
 
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