Lexity, libertarianism doesn't work. It's not employed or practiced anywhere. It's lala land utopian BS. The West had to be protected with real arms and real people and now NATO deterrence prevents Russia from attacking Western countries.
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It All Comes Back to NATO
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NarrowBandFtw
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you mean just like NATO in Yugoslavia, yes like that
that's what we call "defense" these days, apparently
lexity
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US citizens were lied into having their foreign policy turned on it's head. Just ask yourself if the then president was an Anglophile or not.
The US secession was what enabled US citizens to create an economic miracle, using wisdom that emanated from some European events e.g. Magna Carta, repeal of the Corn Laws in England and the Enlightenment, in general, which followed the invention of the printing press. The people behind these events were called 'Liberals', in the 19th century. Because they understood the threat of Statists. The 20th century was the European Imperialist ruling class reaction to that transition away from Statist-rule to self-rule. And it's undoing, which is culminating before our eyes, started the day after the revolution ended.
If you are unwilling to examine the past, you cannot prepare for the future.
If you are going to subject me and others to the consequences of your individual-responsibility-free 'end of story' future, I'm having none of it, thanks very much.
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Vrotappel
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Just Like Putin is protecting the 'Russians' in Ukraine at the moment.
I come in peace shoot to kill.
lexity
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It's not the ignorance, per se.
I can handle someone who is ignorant. It's the willful ignorance.
For that, there is no redemption.
What do the religious refer to that as? 'The Cardinal sin', if I'm not mistaken. The one sin that cannot be forgiven.
Not because there aren't any forgivers, but because the sin involves a person placing himself outside the reach of reason. He renders himself beyond redemption when he is not individually responsible for becoming, and remaining, well-informed. Instead, he finds justifications to use criminal force to subsidize his life-style. Force which relieves him of the 'burden' of having to paying attention, and having to make sense of the world around him.
History is not his teacher. Those who hand him a canned version of it are.
I can handle someone who is ignorant. It's the willful ignorance.
For that, there is no redemption.
What do the religious refer to that as? 'The Cardinal sin', if I'm not mistaken. The one sin that cannot be forgiven.
Not because there aren't any forgivers, but because the sin involves a person placing himself outside the reach of reason. He renders himself beyond redemption when he is not individually responsible for becoming, and remaining, well-informed. Instead, he finds justifications to use criminal force to subsidize his life-style. Force which relieves him of the 'burden' of having to paying attention, and having to make sense of the world around him.
History is not his teacher. Those who hand him a canned version of it are.
NarrowBandFtw
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exactly
lexity
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This is historically inaccurate.
The West did one thing differently to become the West.
Self-ownership. In law. Self-ownership leading to freedom of association and legal protection of private property.
That has been legally undermined and overturned over the last 120 years especially. In large part thanks to infiltration of the US government by Socialists.
The US founders warned about going abroad in search of monsters to destroy. About entangling alliances.
They were very clear on foreign policy. We can see that from the spread of information via an un-State-regulated internet, over the last 20 years, not some carefully curated Socialist university narrative.
WTF knows, but we need something more powerful than a bunch of wusses that is NATO, the crazy, egocentric, self important Putin should have been obliterated years ago when he took Crimea, NATO won't do anything even after drones fly into their air space.
The Russians would have continued from Germany to Western Europe. There were actual plans of Soviet attack on Europe and the USSR was spreading Communism and Russian influence across the world. They paid off even groups such as RAF (Red Army Faction) to cause trouble in the West.
You are totally clueless and you play on ideological games. Self ownership does not stop Soviet tanks my Western hating friend.
lexity
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Why not just admit you support wars of aggression, since every other nation merely capable of defending itself is already 'an aggressor'?
Learn the difference between offense and defense.
Without the ability to put the bill on future generations(via a Soviet-styled central bank), you would not be able to pay for hysterical military build-up.
This was not an idea born from the population but by their hyper-paranoid self-imposed 'representatives'.
Learn how the US was dragged into WW1. Then come back.
I'm against Russia attacking Ukraine.
We need build up in Europe because we have neighbours who think they're Peter the Great and are attacking their neighbors.
I'm not a representative but I lived under the Russian boot.
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Putin did warn. He told them numerous times to not cross the line. Since 2014 NATO has expressed very sincere and adamant suggestions that Ukraine join the organization. They kept poking the bear for years. Now bear gets up, starts devouring and they are playing victim.
Russia is corrupt as hell and so are NATO. Both sides have been enabling each other's corruption and provoking each other in the process for a long time and now both sides are playing the victim to circumstances they themselves created.
Don't let the media or politicians fool you. There is no good guy here.
Russia is corrupt as hell and so are NATO. Both sides have been enabling each other's corruption and provoking each other in the process for a long time and now both sides are playing the victim to circumstances they themselves created.
Don't let the media or politicians fool you. There is no good guy here.
No good guy here?
So you equate free Europe with Russia?
Oh nobody is a pure angel so that makes killing civilians and actual wars of aggression OK.
lexity
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cerebus
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NATO did make a mistake by trying to get into Ukraine, I agree on that. But 'poking the bear' and 'bear committing war crimes' are two very different levels of wrong. Ukraine IS the victim of Russian aggression, there's no question about that.
DreamKing
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The treaty of Versailles set the conditions for Hitler to come to power,
Understanding that allowed for George Marshall to argue to a project that would rebuild postWW2 Europe,
Nato did not "just make a mistake", it was a deliberate policy of provocation as a memo between Tony Blair and John McCain/Linsay Graham recently confirmed.
Ukraine Observatory Tracking the conflict in Eastern Europe Ukraine Conflict: Day Thirteen
With something of a lull in the fighting as humanitarian corridors are again attempted (and failed), day thirteen sees widespread economic ramifications from the Ukraine conflict. The UK, USA, and …
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Despite nearly every single foreign policy expert, US diplomat and international relations scholar warning about it, the US decided to add fuel to the fire,
The US's role contains most notably the arming insurgents, instigating the 2014 coup d'état, US senators promising congressional support to the Ukranians if they go on "the offense".
Why do such a stupid thing to begin with and then go on to lie about their role in instigating the violence?
Unless the West comes to term with the events leading up to this invasion, they are nowhere near to solving it and more Ukrainians will be crushed in the process.
The War can end tomorrow if America joins the peace talks, but instead they are sending more weapons, effectively using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder.
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DreamKing
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no. absolutely not.
idiots (western politicians), dictators and stupid supporters are all around.
no. absolutely not.
idiots (western politicians), dictators and stupid supporters are all around.
You ever live under a Russian system vs a Western one. I will tell you that the latter is much better when it comes to human rights. Even things like police beatings. But you can equate them all.
cerebus
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There are no peace talks that would end the war that would not involve Russia taking control of the Ukrainian government. Don't be so bloody naive. Putin wants to reinstate the Kharkiv regime, as he has always wanted. NATO presence and all the other justifications he's offering up like 'denaziization' or chemical weapons or nuclear weapons are just thin pretexts to seize control of the country. They're predating Zelensky because he isn't a puppet like Yanukovych.