It makes me sad every time...

[louisek]

The greatest pity is that teachers as in the OP are busy brainwashing our children about this creationist rubbish and telling them that organised religion is the only way to run your life.

 

[RiaX]

I think you all know what I mean and you just being silly.

Its time people stop "respecting" these pathetic religions or more correctly cults

 

[Hamster]

I think you all know what I mean and you just being silly.

Its time people stop "respecting" these pathetic religions or more correctly cults

Why? At least they are not miserable and complaining about stuff on the internet.

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

Why? At least they are not miserable and complaining about stuff on the internet.

Really? You obviously haven't visited that part of the internet then yet.

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

Here's a nice one: http://onemansblog.com/2011/08/06/c...e-killing-athiests-on-fox-news-facebook-page/

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I'm Christian so of course I'd want Christianity to be taught in school. I will kick up a fuss if hinduism or islam is being taught. It is unfair towards others though so it is more correct to remove religion from schools completely, but I'm definitely not gonna go out of my way to fight it though (not when my side is "winning").

Why? It seems to me that secular schools (and governments for that matter) are all round better ideas than religiously infused ones. Irrespective of your own faith, I'd like to consider you rational enough to be pro-secular schools.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

hey OP, your teach is correct. it's still a theory as it hasn't been proven 100%. just a lot of guesses that all point to that it does exist. personally i believe in evolution.

Scientific theories are never proven. They get affirmed or validated. Proof is the domain of logical sciences, like mathematics, not empirical science. The objective is actually to falsify or disprove them.

Yes, I am not disputing this. It is a theory to explain an observable fact. But it is just a theory. And it has changed over the years

The problem is, I think, that creationists usually use the phrase in a disparaging way, as if calling it a "just a theory" means it's just a guess or half-baked idea, instead of what it actually is.

www.notjustatheory.com

"Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." - Isaac Asimov

Yes, I do. I understand what the word theory means in this context but evolution is not categorically proven as yet.

Are children exact copies of their parents? No? There's evolution 'proven', for you. Ta-da! Evolution is an observable natural phenomena, much like the tides or rocks falling off mountains.

As for the Theory of Evolution, see my posts above.

 

[porchrat]

I'm Christian so of course I'd want Christianity to be taught in school. I will kick up a fuss if hinduism or islam is being taught. It is unfair towards others though so it is more correct to remove religion from schools completely, but I'm definitely not gonna go out of my way to fight it though (not when my side is "winning").

^^THIS makes me sad every time^^

Grow up.

 

[be.plato]

Why? It seems to me that secular schools (and governments for that matter) are all round better ideas than religiously infused ones. Irrespective of your own faith, I'd like to consider you rational enough to be pro-secular schools.

You think secular humanism is an all round better idea than Christianity? That makes me very sad.

 

[be.plato]

Scientific theories are never proven. They get affirmed or validated. Proof is the domain of logical sciences, like mathematics, not empirical science. The objective is actually to falsify or disprove them.



The problem is, I think, that creationists usually use the phrase in a disparaging way, as if calling it a "just a theory" means it's just a guess or half-baked idea, instead of what it actually is.

www.notjustatheory.com

"Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." - Isaac Asimov



Are children exact copies of their parents? No? There's evolution 'proven', for you. Ta-da! Evolution is an observable natural phenomena, much like the tides or rocks falling off mountains.

As for the Theory of Evolution, see my posts above.

Yes, falsifiability. So there is always that possibility that evolution can be invalidated. According to you.

 

[porchrat]

Yes, falsifiability. So there is always that possibility that evolution can be invalidated. According to you.

but it hasn't been and so rejecting it outright is anti-science. Like HIV denialism.

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

You think secular humanism is an all round better idea than Christianity? That makes me very sad.

How can anyone not? What if your children were forced to only learn about Islam at public school? Sure you would sing a different tune then.

 

[porchrat]

How can anyone not? What if your children were forced to only learn about Islam at public school? Sure you would sing a different tune then.

You're falling into a trap. He has shifted the goalposts from government and school to everything. He has changed what you said and now he is probably going to try play around with subjective morality.

Not that there is much to work with there IMO but meh.

 

[Hamster]

^^THIS makes me sad every time^^

Grow up.

Silly posts like this that say nothing make me sad. Others include ones like RiaX's that calls my religion (and therefor me) pathetic for no reason. Tell me why it makes you sad and I will try reply.

Why? It seems to me that secular schools (and governments for that matter) are all round better ideas than religiously infused ones. Irrespective of your own faith, I'd like to consider you rational enough to be pro-secular schools.

The Christian me wants it to stay in school. The values it teaches benefits man and keeping it in school means that a lot more people can be exposed to God's word. I cannot see any downside in this because I am convinced Christianity serves the true God. Surely this is understandable?

The rational lets-take-three-steps-back me has to view this from a point where everyone has a right to his own language, religion and respect for his culture. From that viewpoint a school's job is to teach the skills you need to be an economic asset. A specific religion alienates the others who have equal right to be there and therefor it should not be allowed. In the same breath, that school should also not be anti-religion and literally preach against it.

Schools are one of the most important institutions in society and should encourage everyone to attend.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

The Christian me wants it to stay in school. The values it teaches benefits man and keeping it in school means that a lot more people can be exposed to God's word. I cannot see any downside in this because I am convinced Christianity serves the true God. Surely this is understandable?

The rational lets-take-three-steps-back me has to view this from a point where everyone has a right to his own language, religion and respect for his culture. From that viewpoint a school's job is to teach the skills you need to be an economic asset. A specific religion alienates the others who have equal right to be there and therefor it should not be allowed. In the same breath, that school should also not be anti-religion and literally preach against it.

Schools are one of the most important institutions in society and should encourage everyone to attend.

You can't promote your particular brand of religion simply because its the one you belong to. The others teach pretty much the same morals and values. In fact you don't need any sort of religion in order to teach morals and values. If you want religion to be taught and/or discussed at schools, then every religion should be taught and/or discussed. Otherwise leave it out completely.

 

[Hamster]

You can't promote your particular brand of religion simply because its the one you belong to. The others teach pretty much the same morals and values. In fact you don't need any sort of religion in order to teach morals and values. If you want religion to be taught and/or discussed at schools, then every religion should be taught and/or discussed. Otherwise leave it out completely.

Yes. Kinda what I said.

 

[be.plato]

but it hasn't been and so rejecting it outright is anti-science. Like HIV denialism.

But it can be invalidated, and any honest skeptic should acknowledge this.

 

[be.plato]

You can't promote your particular brand of religion simply because its the one you belong to. The others teach pretty much the same morals and values. In fact you don't need any sort of religion in order to teach morals and values. If you want religion to be taught and/or discussed at schools, then every religion should be taught and/or discussed. Otherwise leave it out completely.

Morals and values come from Christianity and other religions, the values and morals that secular humanists hold, are largely adopted from Christianity. Where else would you get them?

 

[murraybiscuit]

But it can be invalidated, and any honest skeptic should acknowledge this.

You need to be more specific about what you mean by 'it'. Give us an example.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Morals and values come from Christianity and other religions, the values and morals that secular humanists hold, are largely adopted from Christianity. Where else would you get them?

BS. They come from societal norms at the point in time. Religion doesn't get to credit itself with basic human concepts.