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IT Salaries and certifications
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This article makes for interesting reading. i think that the amereican and canadian inflated salaries(on average) will actually be coming down in the months/years to come.
NeonNinja
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What degree is this?
deweyzeph I got my foot in the door without a University Degree right after Matric, starting out in a mom and pop store. Yes it was not for much money but I got "professional" experience and seeing I was active in a lot of programming orientated communities I started to climb the job ladder very quickly.
But I'm still studying part time at Unisa and hopefully at the end of 2012 I will have a Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) Degree and 8 years of "professional" experience with references, which I don't think is that bad for a then to be 27 year old
But the point that I'm trying to make is if you are passionate about programming and willing to proof yourself you don't need a Degree in South Africa to become a programmer.
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I also found a lot of people that matriculated didn't know what they wanted to do with their life and decided to study computers because there is a lot of money in it. Signed up at a Varsity finished their degree and now they want a nice 8 till 5 job without any real passion fueling them.
I don't know how I feel about these kind of people because it happens in every industry. I think for me this is a good thing because where I am driven with passion they just trying to make a living and that gives me a head start without me trying really hard.
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NeonNinja
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I think the bold's the case, because when I compared costs of Cisco (doing it in colleges and these places) with MCITP, MCITP was 3 x more expensive than CCNA, I don't kno about CCNP, but should still be less than MCITP and CCIE's of course expensive.
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onlyme
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Not so sure about this, We almost never take degrees into account when screening CV's and experience has shown that young guys with degrees tend on average to be less able than those without. so when we have a choice of someone with just a degree, and someone with no degree but some experience (even just a few months) we would choose the one with experience every time.
SaiyanZ
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My little sister is studying computer engineering at UKZN. In her 3rd year now. She got a Telkom bursary so will work for them for a few years. Not sure which is the best path for her to take.
ADRAM3L3CH
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How I wish I earned in dollars!!!!!!
Also I wonder why Unix and Linux certifications were left out?
These are becoming more relevant in the broader IT world too.
It would be interesting to compare the same qualifications survey against our local averages.
Then regarding degree's, these are nowadays mostly only seen as "base" qualifications, after that most of the companies I've worked for required additional certifications or training like CCNA etc.
Also on another point, I expect to see Project Management as a higher average if only "Technical" positions are considered without management.
Unfortunately with any Technical or Engineering related role you reach a ceiling unless you move into Management or Sales.
Another higher paying field I've seen is Solution Architecture/Design and Business Consulting.
These are becoming more relevant in the broader IT world too.
It would be interesting to compare the same qualifications survey against our local averages.
Then regarding degree's, these are nowadays mostly only seen as "base" qualifications, after that most of the companies I've worked for required additional certifications or training like CCNA etc.
Also on another point, I expect to see Project Management as a higher average if only "Technical" positions are considered without management.
Unfortunately with any Technical or Engineering related role you reach a ceiling unless you move into Management or Sales.
Another higher paying field I've seen is Solution Architecture/Design and Business Consulting.
No you don't.
I get paid in USD and I negotiated on a rate of R7,50 to the dollar back in 2009.
Now I get paid R6,50 - R6,60 without any increase in USD salary.
That is a loss of between 12%-20% on average, just on ZARvsUSD rate.
I have done most of my studies myself and paid for them. The only study I ever got lectured was my MCTS which my company paid for. Right now, I'm doing my ccna then ctp+ then i believe i will write my own salary. It's not easy but my motivation is the focus RS 
I will write $100 000
LOL.
I will write $100 000
LOL.In today's world everything is based on IP, thus a CCNA/N+ will always be valuable.
Then databases like Oracle and MySQL are also valuable, if you add Linux in there you'll be top notch.
Project Management and Business Management are also important to have for later in life for more senior roles.
She's lucky to be with Telkom, although on the outside they are not well liked, they invest in their staff and really give good training.
UnUnOctium
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Our research group produces lots of Telkom specialists. Tell your sister that while undergrad will give her a decent job and decent pay (if she were to start this year for example, she'd probably make around 22k fresh out), people are known for not lasting long there. Telkom loves to flush and replace. 80% of the time, your engineering degree will make you end up in management after 3-4 years, but if she can (and she's willing to) she should do an MSc or a PhD. Especially for PhD, you'll start off on 40+ a month easily and you get classed as a specialist (because doing postgrad degrees is exactly that) and will basically put you right into management.
deweyzeph
Honorary Master
Personally when I hire I don't care whether someone has a degree or not, experience counts for everything. However while this same attitude putting experience ahead of qualifications is prevalent in the UK and other European countries, you cannot get away from the fact that most South African companies put qualifications first and experience second. A lot of companies won't even call you in for an interview if you don't have a tertiary qualification no matter how good your experience is.
Completely irrelevant article -- all based on US and Canadian data. I should know I have a CCIE and am both an ITIL Certified Service manager and PRINCE2 Project Manager, along with 15+ years networking experience and I don't earn that much that's for sure
Hah, I did my MCSE years ago. Now I'm a Creative Director of an animation production studio. lulz. I still have my books, although they're just fat book ends at this point, and incredibly outdated
Like a Moth to a flame? :twisted: