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crocopede said:
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I am spiritual but not religious. My parents are christian but the lekka kind that does not care what you choose to believe in. The wife's parents and herself are Hindu.

Me and the misses agreed to raise our son Buddhist. However her parents want to teach him Hinduism, to which i object saying its going to confuse him if his parents teach him one thing and the grandparents another. My parents have respect for our decision and but that c3nt mother in law has no respect for anything.

And we cant keep him away from them, but for now i will never leave him unattended with them.
I dont fully understand why her mother has to be such a c3ntbag all the time and just accept that i do not believe her gods and move the fck along.

If anyone has some pearls of wisdom to share before i punch that thing in her stupid face. That would be nice.
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Technically speaking Buddhism is really an offshoot of Hinduism. The Buddha sort enlightenment through the Hindu Spiritual Framework. Thinking of them as separate religions is not entirely correct.

What essentially is happening is that you in-laws want him want him to follow the customs and dogma of their version of Hinduism all of which can be done does not conflict with Buddhism. Under the Buddhist and many Hindu doctrine are simply being that have attained enlightenment or personification of the aspects of the universe.

There's a lot of benefit to some of the customs and festivals.

Question is your in-laws Tamil or Hindi?
 
crocopede said:
Hindi.

My wife the beautiful kind that respects and loves everyone. Her level of zen and compassion is over 9000 that of mine... which is pretty much zero tolerance.

Her mother though is a different story. Its more of the mindset i saw in christians as i grew up. You no share my belief! i hate you, you are scum and worth nothing mentality.
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It's not so much about what he believes, Hindi people are really obsessed with Dogmatic elements of the religion, their obsessed about doing prayers and traditions by the letter of the book . Giving your mother-in-law on inch going to give an entire laundry list of traditions and customs to follow and she breathing down your neck all the time.
 
crocopede said:
Hindi.
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mmmig said:
Question is your in-laws Tamil or Hindi?
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Lot of generalisations on Hindi & Tamil people - Hindi speaking are just about 470 million give or take - interesting to know they all fit the type. Also, Tamil people are approx 75 million (more than SA population - eish)- they also seem to be clones of each other.

In any case, Hindi & Tamil are languages. Hindu is a religion. Tamil people can be any religion or they can be atheists. Hindi people can be of any religion or they can be atheists. You can google it if you are really interested.
 
surface said:
Lot of generalisations on Hindi & Tamil people - Hindi speaking are just about 470 million give or take - interesting to know they all fit the type. Also, Tamil people are approx 75 million (more than SA population - eish)- they also seem to be clones of each other.

In any case, Hindi & Tamil are languages. Hindu is a religion. Tamil people can be any religion or they can be atheists. Hindi people can be of any religion or they can be atheists. You can google it if you are really interested.
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Ok first of all I'm not speaking about native Hindi speaking community of India. I am speaking about the Hindi Origin Community that lives in South Africa, their numbers are far lower than the South Indian (Tamil,Telugu) origin people as they generally came as traders in much smaller numbers whereas the people of South Indian origin came in far greater numbers as indentured labourers. As a result of being out numbered in such great amounts they have become much more protective of their culture and traditions, generally speaking.

As for the second criticizism, the OP has already established that his in-laws were Hindu. There is a massive difference between Hindi Culture and Tamil culture. First of all the languages are from 2 totally different language families, another major reason for the cultural difference is that the North Particularly the north west has been under the control of Persians, Arabs and other Muslim Empires whereas the South for the most part avoided outside invasion until the British came.
 
SauRoNZA said:
You said you don’t agree to the very statement where I said the opposite.

If you don’t agree then it means you indicate a belief in the alternative which means you said exactly that.
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I disagree that raising children is as simple as not being a &%#$, but I never said that non-believers don't have a moral compass
 
crocopede said:
How many people do people know that was raised by people without religion?

Its easy to state to not indoctrinate a child with religion if our stats are skewed.

Religion offers guidance and great assistance in various regards. For one it gives us stories to read to children with moral teachings embedded.

It also assists a child to believe in more than what the world has to offer. It requires dedication from the parents part which forces another channel to bond with child.

Even of we are born with an inclanation towards peace and love, our world has deteriorated into hate and greed. Religious teachings carry more weight than vague statements of it being wrong to fall into the worlds ways.

As they age they get to decide what they believe. I was indoctrinated with christianity and i have died 9 times in my life.

In those 9 times I never called on jesus to save me. I was at peace knowing there is no magic man to welcome me on the other side. Only a reflection of myself and a new journey awaits after judging myself.

But I appreciate having been brought up with religion. It challenged my beliefs often throughout life. It gave me a sense of peace.

We all have to dream and believe something. Without a belief we decay into states of depression. At least this was true for me.

But i am yet to see confident children raised with no belief system.
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I was raised without religion at home, school is where I learnt the Bible and by the age of 12 I was a complete atheist and I was trying to have debates with Religious instruction teachers and it was like running into a brick wall.
My son isn't raised with religion but the school does it sigh. So he's learning it there.
My sense of morals is perfectly fine, my son's is perfectly fine, I don't even like killing bugs.
 
My aunt was Hindu, my parents and my wife's are Christian, we are atheist.

My children come into contact mostly with Christians, we let them all, including my aunt give their views to our kids.

Our kids ask our views and we give them.

Anyway the point is you can not isolate your children from people's belief systems and if you want them to integrate into society it's not a bad thing.

Just give your views on the matter and your children being the individual humans that they are will make up their own minds.

No need for culture shock in grade R...
 
crocopede said:
We all have to dream and believe something. Without a belief we decay into states of depression. At least this was true for me.

But i am yet to see confident children raised with no belief system.
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No we don’t need to believe something, this is where religious folk lose the plot because they simply cannot fathom a life without a deity.

Also didn’t you literally say in your first few posts you want to teach a concept without a godhead? Now you flip it around and say we all need to believe in something.

I would argue children without religion are more confident than those with it as they aren’t indoctrinated by that crutch and willingness to rely on someone basically from birth but taught to be responsible for their own actions.

I’ve seen plenty of them. Of course you wouldn’t because you’ve only surrounded yourself with religious folk, while shunning those who don’t believe.

Moral instruction doesn’t require religion. You can use the very same stories and teachings without the Jesus/Krishna/God/Buddha concepts being mentioned or involved as they don’t relate at all.
 
The_MAC said:
I disagree that raising children is as simple as not being a &%#$, but I never said that non-believers don't have a moral compass
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My bad, assumption on my part but it could have been made a bit clearer.
 
crocopede said:
Believing in something does not imply believing in a god.
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So by that logic Atheism should be perfect because it’s a simple case for believing in yourself.

If that doesn’t qualify then your logic fails.
 
crocopede said:
Hmm. It would qualify if it teaches you about your soul. Pretty sure atheists do not believe that we are eternal.
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No, because it’s not a provable logical thing.

It’s all based on hocus pocus.

And even your soul has nothing to do with morals. In fact using a potential afterlife to steer the current life is a little bit silly don’t you think?

Why not just lead a better life in the here and now and the one you know for damn sure you already have and bears relevance?
 
crocopede said:
Hi

I am spiritual but not religious. My parents are christian but the lekka kind that does not care what you choose to believe in. The wife's parents and herself are Hindu.

Me and the misses agreed to raise our son Buddhist. However her parents want to teach him Hinduism, to which i object saying its going to confuse him if his parents teach him one thing and the grandparents another. My parents have respect for our decision and but that c3nt mother in law has no respect for anything.

And we cant keep him away from them, but for now i will never leave him unattended with them.
I dont fully understand why her mother has to be such a c3ntbag all the time and just accept that i do not believe her gods and move the fck along.

If anyone has some pearls of wisdom to share before i punch that thing in her stupid face. That would be nice.
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You want to raise your child Buddhist, but don't want him to learn about Hinduism? Do you know what Buddhism is based on? Sounds like your issue is with your mother in law and not religion.
 
crocopede said:
Yip. And that’s exactly the opposite attitude i want my kids to have. They can say they dont know, but not knowing warrants searching. Not ah who cares.



The soul has everything to do with morals. Pertaining to this life and what was and what still has to come.

Read the quran, bible, bardo thodol and a few more influential books. Suffer ego death more than once, travel outside your body and gaze on it.

Then tell me there is only a brain. I was there. Once. I stood firm on my beliefs that we are only a brain and body.

The worst of all beliefs because it makes one complacent spiritually and removes curiosity.
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Okay, I’m out.

We’ve officially entered crazy town.

None of the above qualifies the soul. In fact they can be achieved through using psychedelics that affect the BRAIN and are thus more of a qualifier for being a brain and body only and not having a soul.

And I’ve done plenty of hard drugs in my life. It hasn’t convinced me I have a soul.

It has however convinced me I have an interconnectedness with the world and others in it, but that doesn’t hardly translate to the soul concept.
 
crocopede said:
Clearly you have not taken enough “hard drugs”

Also no one said any of that quantifies a soul. It merely points out you have not scratched the surface and already drew a conclusion about the soul.

Its sad really. One life as you said but you do not attempt to learn.
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Oh I’m all for learning.

But it’s equally sad for me that people put so much trust in their invisible friends and it’s going to be a shock to them when they find nothing at the end.
 
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