JAKE WHITE FOR THE BOKS!!!!!!

[Zyzzyva]

After winning last years trinations our record is the following:

6 wins from 15 games(3 of those wins came against italy)

2 of the losses came against English clubs sides.

Is that a record befitting a world champion team belonging to a rugby mad country currently dominating the super 14?

I rest my case.

 

[TMoose]

if the above is correct that puts him at 59.46% after today's result.

Jake White had an overall 22/37 (59.46%) record.

Where'd you get these stats? Jake won 36/54 = 66% and PdV stands on 22 / 35 = 61%. However, Jake's reign included a record 14 match unbeaten streak at home making SA our fortress whereass PdV has been losing at home pretty consistently... including that embarrassing 19-0 home defeat to the Kiwi's. Div also hasn't had to deal with nearly the amount of political BS Jake was forced to put up with. In 2006 Jake had to fly around defending his job, had players politically forced into his team etc.

 

[sand_man]

You guys keep forgetting that Jake White built his team from scratch. He never got a World Cup winning team on a silver platter.

How's inheriting a world cup winning side a blessing? I would have thought it's a curse cause how do you get better than being world champions? How did you say?? Oh, by winning the tri-nations and a British Lions tour.... Okay...

PdV on the other hand got a World Cup winning team on a silver platter and he has fk'd that up. Pls try and explain to me how you can turn around now and say JW was just another PdV or worse?

If you think a calamitous Tri-nations or EOYT is exclusively the domain of PDV have a look at the 2006 Tri-nations campaign.

You guys clearly don't have the faintest idea of what the Boks looked like when JW took over

It's far easier to inherit a team ranked 6th in the world and move forward than it is to take a team ranked 1st in the world and move forward.... no?? Again, I reiterate, how do you improve on that?

Also as for the World cup being easy...... The top 16 countries in the world plays in the World cup. There is no easy route.

No easy routes but more favourable routes, the high road and the low road is how coaches refer to it. In 2007 we needed to win our pool to set up a lightly quarter final against Fiji. The main obstacle to winning our pool was a rubbish England side who only managed to click towards the end of the competition. Argentina in the Semi-finals and then England again in the finals. Given the same set of scenarios 10 times over you would expect South Africa to win 8/10 rugby world cups.

If you want to be the world Champions you need to beat any of the 16 teams on any given day.

Obviously but it helps not to be facing the top 4 in either the quarters and/or semi finals which determines the high road vs low road scenarios.

Currently SA won't even beat Samoa, Fiji or Argentina.

Now you talking rubbish.

Have you ever considered that his 2 assistant coaches could be the Achilles heel?? We saw what Dick did to the Lions in the space of a season and since Gary left Province they not only sorted out their defense but all aspects of their forward play too, to the extent that they made the Super 14 finals...

But it's easy to bash and criticize PDV. He is such a soft target, cannot articulate properly, speaks his mind regardless of how controversial what he has to say is, sounds and looks like a cartoon character and only got the job cause he's the right hue.... (ironically he has proven to be anything but PC)...

 

[sand_man]

How come SARU didn't appoint a media liaison or team spokesman to talk on behalf of the team? Knowing PDV penchant for saying the wrong things or making a tit of himself everytime he opened his mouth why didn't Gary or Dick do the press releases and interviews??

EDIT: Now, I'm not saying PDV is a better coach than Jake, far from it but what I am saying is PDV is not as bad a coach as people would make it while Jake is not as good as people would like to believe.

 

[milomak]

I know the saying goes you gotta beat what's in front of you. But the below sums it up pretty well.

No easy routes but more favourable routes, the high road and the low road is how coaches refer to it. In 2007 we needed to win our pool to set up a lightly quarter final against Fiji. The main obstacle to winning our pool was a rubbish England side who only managed to click towards the end of the competition. Argentina in the Semi-finals and then England again in the finals. Given the same set of scenarios 10 times over you would expect South Africa to win 8/10 rugby world cups.

As for having to beat the top 16. come on, at best the top rugby nations are south africa, all blacks, australia, england and france. between them scotland, ireland and wales pose potential banana skin ties. as for the balance of the top 16, you should be beating them everytime if you are playing your strongest team.

it's also interesting that when you think about, even having had the easier route; Jake's Boks were hardly convincing.

 

[I am Penguin]

I am waiting in angst for SirLancelot to join this thread. We said that we would review the PDV saga and change our opinions about PDV vs JW "IF" we win the Tri-Nations, Just a few wins would have been enough to make a call. WELL? (Wheres that thread again?). What we feared most became adamantly clear.

THE TOUGHEST OPPONENT WE PLAYED THIS TRI NATIONS WAS PDV, POLITICS AND THE REF'S. NOW THE BUMBLE MOUTH WILL STILL KEEP HIS JOB?

 

[I am Penguin]

How come SARU didn't appoint a media liaison or team spokesman to talk on behalf of the team? Knowing PDV penchant for saying the wrong things or making a tit of himself everytime he opened his mouth why didn't Gary or Dick do the press releases and interviews??

EDIT: Now, I'm not saying PDV is a better coach than Jake, far from it but what I am saying is PDV is not as bad a coach as people would make it while Jake is not as good as people would like to believe.

pdv A COACH? mY ASS, HE IS JUST A BETTER MANAGER THAN I THOUGHT (IF HE KEEPS HIS MOUTH SHUT). BUT THATS THAT!

 

[Necuno]

Ag shame hey... it did not happen.

// removes bookmark

 

[Electric]

Is this thread necro day?

 

[Necuno]

Nope I booked it for return

 

[Frankie_Yale]

Nope I booked it for return

so what's your take on HM? with a 72% win rate but No Tri Nations/Rugby champs title.

Also what is his win rate over NZ?

Is he going to pull it off come WC 2015?

 

[Fulcrum29]

so what's your take on HM? with a 72% win rate but No Tri Nations/Rugby champs title.

Also what is his win rate over NZ?

Is he going to pull it off come WC 2015?

In my opinion, HM is putting too much attention to rugby in the southern hemisphere, although he is calling up player(s) with experience in the northern hemisphere, the English will be a must win scenario which had been made clear by both the Aussies and the All Blacks. I personally don’t think that we can win the English in their habitat playing their World Cup rugby, neither will the Aussies win them.

 

[Frankie_Yale]

I personally don’t think that we can win the English in their habitat playing their World Cup rugby, neither will the Aussies win them.

We'll be able to make that judgement after Saturday's game.

IMO Australia will be in the final next year and might just win it. They can force the Northern Hemisphere teams to play their style of rugby and capitalise on the counters - which they are really good at. Beale, Hooper, and Folau really good in broken play.

 

[Fulcrum29]

We'll be able to make that judgement after Saturday's game.

IMO Australia will be in the final next year and might just win it. They can force the Northern Hemisphere teams to play their style of rugby and capitalise on the counters - which they are really good at. Beale, Hooper, and Folau really good in broken play.

Since 1987, only 5 teams had a grasp at the cup:

- Australia
- England
- France
- SA
- New Zealand

With Argentina, Scotland and Wales on the heels.

The Aussies are playing bad rugby, nothing clean. A wake up call now may be too late. The Springboks on the other hand, I only hope that HM knows what he is doing. The little teams are packing a bigger punch than the last Rugby World Cups.

 

[Frankie_Yale]

The Springboks on the other hand, I only hope that HM knows what he is doing. The little teams are packing a bigger punch than the last Rugby World Cups.

yup , especially with the Boks coming close to losing against Wales & the Pumas.

but then again, WC's have different atmospheres and climates.