Judgment Reserved In Muslim Marriages Case

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Judgment Reserved In Muslim Marriages Case

All the advocates representing the state argued that it was not within the court's jurisdiction to determine the matter.



The Women's Legal Centre on Friday caused tempers to flare in the high court in Cape Town, when it pointed out that nine counsel had been appointed by the state to argue against the organisation's application for the recognition of Muslim marriages, and all nine had advanced the same argument.

All the advocates representing the state argued that it was not within the court's jurisdiction to determine the matter.

"It required [all of them] to say that. It's not good for the taxpayer," advocate Nazreeen Bawa, SC, said.

This resulted in great upset, with Anwar Albertus, SC, for the minister of home affairs saying he was "flabbergasted".

"It's highly offensive – there was something worthwhile for each of us to say," he insisted.

Andrea Gabriel, SC, for the president, said she "resented the notion" that counsel was a waste of taxpayers' money.

Violation of constitutional rights

The application for the recognition of Muslim marriages was brought by the Women's Legal Centre, which said it was aimed at providing Muslim women and their children with legal protection upon divorce.

This, the nonprofit law centre explained, was being sought due to the "continued failure on the part of government to fulfil the obligations on it by the Constitution to recognise Muslim marriages as valid marriages for all purposes in SA, and to regulate the consequences of such recognition".

It wanted judicial oversight on Muslim divorces as in civil and customary instances, arguing that a range of constitutional rights, including the right to equality, were being violated.

It hoped that the high court would order the state respondents to pass legislation that "cures the unconstitutional position", or to include Muslim marriages in existing legislation for civil and customary marriages.

The matter is being heard by judges Siraj Desai, Gayaat Salie-Hlophe and Nolwazi Boqwana.

Desai said the matter was complex, as it was not only to regulate future marriages, but also those which exist.

"It's a difficult process, which must reflect the contractual agreement by the Sharia [Islamic law] and modern society," he commented.

All the state respondents concurred that the decision needed to be made by Parliament, not the court, citing the separation of powers and judicial overreach.

Judgment was reserved.
 
A minefield. I doubt the contracts will pass constitutional scrutiny without modifications.
 
Why don't they encourage Muslim women rather to demand a "normal" marriage in addition to a Muslim one, then they can have all the rights they need.
 
Why trust in the law and constitution when you have Allah?
 
lol halal marriages? :D

they recognize other cultural unions/marriages dont they?

saw a video the other day of a similar issue in another country, cant remember the title, i think it had nigel farage in it. basically the shariah way was said to be detrimental to the woman.
 
lol halal marriages? :D

they recognize other cultural unions/marriages dont they?

saw a video the other day of a similar issue in another country, cant remember the title, i think it had nigel farage in it. basically the shariah way was said to be detrimental to the woman.

Contentious issue is the actual contract.
 
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What does that imply?

It would be nice if the Constitution recognised Islamic marriages, but it's not that simple. A marriage can be Shariah-compliant without a single document. All you need is a couple of guys to witness it. Such marriages should not receive constitutional recognition.

And furthermore, if you do want a legally-recognised Shariah marriage, you can already have that. All you have to do is proper vetting of the cleric who performs your marriage.

SO I'm guessing the reason that these people are fussing now is that they didn't do things by the book because it will all be all right because Allah got my back.
 
Why don't they encourage Muslim women rather to demand a "normal" marriage in addition to a Muslim one, then they can have all the rights they need.

Nothing stopping them from getting registered. Most do get registered eventually.
 
Nothing stopping them from getting registered. Most do get registered eventually.

There is no way to currently register a polygamous Islamic marriage in SA. The customary marriage act only recognises African cultural marriages. Muslims, Christians, anyone else get's left out.

The easiest fix is for all priests/pastors/bishops/imams to be marriage officers, that at least solves the problem for monogamous marriages.
 
There is no way to currently register a polygamous Islamic marriage in SA. The customary marriage act only recognises African cultural marriages. Muslims, Christians, anyone else get's left out.

The easiest fix is for all priests/pastors/bishops/imams to be marriage officers, that at least solves the problem for monogamous marriages.

Most of "western" marriages are christian anyway (citation?). I don't think there's a need for special provisions in the constitution.

Customary marriages don't have much (if anything) that can't pass constitutional scrutiny. At least my side of the custom. Everything is above board and conforms.
 
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