HavocXphere
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Indeed. Increased responsibility to ensure the outcome is OK. Still legal though...
Insurance...how so? I didn't break the law, I indicated and took all reasonable precautions to ensure that it is safe.
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Insurance...how so? I didn't break the law, I indicated and took all reasonable precautions to ensure that it is safe.
That's the process, but after you've indicated and have proceeded to go faster than the car on your right then you'll find your insurance will see you as being in the wrong (if there is an accident of course).
HavocXphere
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eh, why? To the best of my knowledge the whole "fast lane" concept isn't in the laws anywhere. You may drive equally fast in all lanes...namely the speed limit.
I get that "Keep left, pass right" more or less leads to the right lane being the de facto "fast lane" though. Without it being a law though I want to see insurance arguing that line.
I'm not sure. Cars coming from the right side have right of way, unless it's from an onramp.
HavocXphere
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How do you figure that? Unless I'm mistaken that applies *only* in round abouts & then only if the other car is already in the circle or both cars arrived simultaneously. Oh and 4 way stops where both arrive simultaneously.
I've never hear the right side thing being applied in the context of a road / highway.
RichardG
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You can get fined for using the fast lane if you driving slow. Read it somewhere if they start fining motorist then they will respect the fast lane.
DrJohnZoidberg
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If you could link us to a source this would be great. As far as I know you must just not be driving slower than the minimum limit.
Also another question, what speed are the "fast lane" people going? Sometimes I'll stay in the right lane when there are cars on the left that are say doing 100 in a 120 zone and its a mission to move over the whole time for the d00s behind you going 180. If I'm going 120 in the right lane in a 120 zone don't flash your lights at me as I will ignore you.
RichardG
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There is a principal, keep left, pass right but people don't obey the road rules. They stay on the right fast lane but never bother to let other faster motorist on the right. Flashing lights etc. It goes into detail how much you will get fined and it was a lot of rules.
DrJohn - here in Johannburg highway/freeway/motorway 80 KM/ 100 KM / 120 KM depends which area you are in but things have changed over the months noticed zones which use to be 120 KM have now changed to 100 KM. . I have seen motorist do 140 KM easy on the left land.
Talking about speed reminds me of impatient motorist in a suburb doing easy 100 KM+ catch up to him about 2 minutes later I see he stopped at a cafe. I decided to Honk/Hoot back at him for being inconsiderate to other motorist users and being endanger to others respecting the law.
Dr - I know how you feel it has happen to me several times(everyday) nearly.. The worst part is some want to ram you off the road, flashing, bumper to bumper and 1 fatal mistake goodbyye.
Dr - I have it on email will see if I can find it. It's not on this computer.
http://www.aartofacts.co.za/chargecodes-list.asp
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from what people have written here so far, the issue seems more basic. I do not think there is a "slow" lane or a "fast" lane. the rule is keep left, pass right. if the left hand lane is empty, that is where you should be, irrespective of the speed you are doing. when you are in this lane and you come across someone doing a slower speed than you, overtake them then move left again. As far as I am aware, you car will not automatically go any faster because you are in an outside lane!
Of course it does, you can't prevent someone from leaving the fast lane.
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Lane 1 is generally in the best condition because no-one is ever on it. I normally just stick to Lane 1 and drive 120 in it, overtake right and then immediately go back to lane 1. I don't normally catch a lot of traffic and it feels that I am going faster than the general lane 2 and 3 goers.
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I don't agree on lane 1 being in better condition (I find it bumpy) but I find it a lot easier to cruise in at 100km/h with cruise control set.
Lanes 2-3 or 2-4 are filled with people who drive 60 to 80 and refuse to move over and the fast lane is too fast for me to use to overtake because I don't want to accelerate to 120km/h+.
I overtake the odd truck or slow vehicle in the left lane when it's safe.
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Maybe it is just the highway I travel then. I only really use the R21 these days in anycase.
The only problem comes in when you drive on the N1 where there is so much cars in the second lane that you can't quickly use it to overtake the slower vehicle in front of you.
ISP cash cow
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The amount of people driving in the right hand lane texting is just to damn high!!
R21 is okay but the left lane on the N1 through Midrand and JHB North is pretty rough.
So much so that the trucks don't seem to want to travel in it either.
Such a simple rule yet so difficult to understand. If you doing 120 in a 120 zone and a faster car is behind you, move the fsk over to the left. Leave your self-righteousness at home.
If you continue to stay in the right lane (assuming the left lane is free) slowing the car behind you to 120, then only one of you is breaking the law....and it's not him.
If you continue to stay in the right lane (assuming the left lane is free) slowing the car behind you to 120, then only one of you is breaking the law....and it's not him.
droplet
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it is legal to overtake on the left.
it is illegal to stay in the far right lane when someone moving faster than you (even if you are travelling at the maximum speed limit) signals you (typically by flashing lights), and you are able to move over to the lane to the left.
it is also legal to lane split on a bike. i am biker, so i have few issues
i find the far left lane to be the best for making headway at over 120km/h - but it is a little dangerous at onramps and offramps.
it is illegal to stay in the far right lane when someone moving faster than you (even if you are travelling at the maximum speed limit) signals you (typically by flashing lights), and you are able to move over to the lane to the left.
it is also legal to lane split on a bike. i am biker, so i have few issues
i find the far left lane to be the best for making headway at over 120km/h - but it is a little dangerous at onramps and offramps.
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As the previous topic regarding this matter. You are not legally appointed to monitor the other road users who do have a legal right to flash their lights to polity request you to move your vehicle into the left hand lane so they may pass at what ever speed they may be travelling. All you achieve by this complete lack of sivilety is showing that you have the knowledge of a slug regarding the term KEEP LEFT PASS RIGHT
The Special Provisions Relating to Freeways, regulation 323 states:
* Where the driver of a motor vehicle which is being driven in the right-hand traffic lane or in the traffic lane furthest to the right on a freeway (hereinafter referred to as the first vehicle) becomes aware that the driver of another motor vehicle (hereinafter referred to as the second vehicle) intends to overtake the first vehicle, the driver of the first vehicle shall steer that vehicle to a lane to the left of the one in which he or she is driving, without endangering himself or herself or other traffic or property on the freeway, and shall not accelerate the speed of his or her vehicle until the second vehicle has passed.
* For the purposes of (above regulation), the driver of the second vehicle may make the driver of the first vehicle aware that he or she intends to overtake the first vehicle by giving the driver thereof a visible signal by means of flashing the headlights of his or her vehicle.
The Special Provisions Relating to Freeways, regulation 323 states:
* Where the driver of a motor vehicle which is being driven in the right-hand traffic lane or in the traffic lane furthest to the right on a freeway (hereinafter referred to as the first vehicle) becomes aware that the driver of another motor vehicle (hereinafter referred to as the second vehicle) intends to overtake the first vehicle, the driver of the first vehicle shall steer that vehicle to a lane to the left of the one in which he or she is driving, without endangering himself or herself or other traffic or property on the freeway, and shall not accelerate the speed of his or her vehicle until the second vehicle has passed.
* For the purposes of (above regulation), the driver of the second vehicle may make the driver of the first vehicle aware that he or she intends to overtake the first vehicle by giving the driver thereof a visible signal by means of flashing the headlights of his or her vehicle.
The_MAC
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Exactly.
The rule is in place for safety first and foremost, imagine changing lanes back into a slower lane after overtaking and getting rammed by someone from behind travelling 160Km/h. He should not be overtaking in the left lane and you should also not be hogging the right lane forcing him to overtake you on the left. I believe that in Europe their equivalent to keep left pass right is law, not just frowned upon.