LED TV Dilema

Postman - he didn't ask about a plasma?
He asked about an LED - unless I missed something?

FWIW - My friend that bought the 51" D550 a few weeks ago told me there is image retention on the set, although it goes away after a few minutes. I'm not sure who to believe - my own eyes that have seen burnt in screens in his own set or a Panasonic Viera 14 months back, my best friend with image retention on his 2012 model D550 - or a bunch of pro-plasma forum members?
 
Dolby said:
Postman - he didn't ask about a plasma?
He asked about an LED - unless I missed something?

FWIW - My friend that bought the 51" D550 a few weeks ago told me there is image retention on the set, although it goes away after a few minutes. I'm not sure who to believe - my own eyes that have seen burnt in screens in his own set or a Panasonic Viera 14 months back, my best friend with image retention on his 2012 model D550 - or a bunch of pro-plasma forum members?
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I'm open to all opinions so don't worry about it.
 
Breaker187 said:
PS3: Games and Blu-ray movies
PC: Work, Games, Movies
Seated about 3m away and where there is a lot of light during the day
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... there are my worries.

Totally up to you though.
 
Nokkie said:
40" is best for a distance of three meters.

And since you said there is a lot of light coming in, I wouldn't recommend a LED due to the fact that overcasts to many shadows on screen making it barely visible to see... I'd recommend a LCD, works best in well lit areas and even darker areas.
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All I'm going to say is that I have a 40" and when I sit 3m away I wish I had a 46".
 
Breaker187 said:
What you eluding to is leaning towards the LED correct?
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I've bought all three - I do like the LED.

Plasma does have retention whether one wants to admit it or not. However it does disappear in a few minutes with another channel and it depends how pedantic you are. When I buy something though, I prefer it to be flawless. I sold my plasma due to retention - and last year when I helped my parents shop, there was a burnt Viera which put them, off too. There is always an excuse though ... age, abuse, bad panel etc

:/ My friend bought the same set - brand new - with retention too .... Samsung to this day, warns about retention. It's not gone - it's reduced.

Plasma is dim compared to LED too ... whites aren't really white. In the case of the D550, the blacks aren't even deep either. My 2 year old LCD even has deeper blacks than the D550. So whiter whites and blacker blacks ...

Pros are value though. My friend said he'd buy the same again purely on value ... and he's got a point. Almost a quantity vs quality debate
 
Breaker187 said:
A good salesman suggested to up the ante a bit(as all salesman do) to consider the Sammy D6000
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Having owned both, a 50Hz LA40C530, then later a UA46D6000 with 100Hz/200Hz CMR, my experience is as follows ...

If you aren't used to 100Hz+, then 50Hz is perfectly acceptable. Only on very few occasions were some minor motion issues apparent to me on the C530, bit of facial shadow ghosting and lateral judder (source quality dependant).

But once you get used to the smoothness of 200Hz CMR (100Hz engine + LED backlight strobing) picture, going back to 50Hz does become noticable. My D6000 picture is pretty much devoid of any judder, ghosting or edge trailing. This using the 'Clear' setting which still maintains the natural 'grainy' look for movies.
 
Dolby said:
Postman - he didn't ask about a plasma?
He asked about an LED - unless I missed something?

FWIW - My friend that bought the 51" D550 a few weeks ago told me there is image retention on the set, although it goes away after a few minutes. I'm not sure who to believe - my own eyes that have seen burnt in screens in his own set or a Panasonic Viera 14 months back, my best friend with image retention on his 2012 model D550 - or a bunch of pro-plasma forum members?
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Dolby, I love you man. You bring me such amusement. :D

Does it really matter that plasma was mentioned ?

But LCD was mentioned !

But we already ruled out I-BI, meaning the outcome relied on room lighting !

Why would 'most' people ask about plasma, after they've just compared at their local Makro from 1m under 10,000watts cold white fluorescents ?

It's possible for people to be under the false impression !

Have some thought for others. :D

What forumites from what forum would deny image retention? :eek: You need to correct them wrong! While at it, explain the difference between IR and I-BI!

:D:D:love:
 
Dolby said:
I've bought all three - I do like the LED.

Plasma does have retention whether one wants to admit it or not. However it does disappear in a few minutes with another channel and it depends how pedantic you are. When I buy something though, I prefer it to be flawless. I sold my plasma due to retention - and last year when I helped my parents shop, there was a burnt Viera which put them, off too. There is always an excuse though ... age, abuse, bad panel etc

:/ My friend bought the same set - brand new - with retention too .... Samsung to this day, warns about retention. It's not gone - it's reduced.

Plasma is dim compared to LED too ... whites aren't really white. In the case of the D550, the blacks aren't even deep either. My 2 year old LCD even has deeper blacks than the D550. So whiter whites and blacker blacks ...

Pros are value though. My friend said he'd buy the same again purely on value ... and he's got a point. Almost a quantity vs quality debate
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Shot, and I agree R10k for me is a hell of a lot of money so I sure as hell hope I'm getting quality and yes another 10k will get you better, but another X will alway get you better..... till next year when model Y is released.
 
Roman4604 said:
Having owned both, a 50Hz LA40C530, then later a UA46D6000 with 100Hz/200Hz CMR, my experience is as follows ...

If you aren't used to 100Hz+, then 50Hz is perfectly acceptable. Only on very few occasions were some minor motion issues apparent to me on the C530, bit of facial shadow ghosting and lateral judder (source quality dependant).

But once you get used to the smoothness of 200Hz CMR (100Hz engine + LED backlight strobing) picture, going back to 50Hz does become noticable. My D6000 picture is pretty much devoid of any judder, ghosting or edge trailing. This using the 'Clear' setting which still maintains the natural 'grainy' look for movies.
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Saw the D6000 200Mhx after a Toshiba 100Mhz and yep u just can't go back I agree.

All in all thank you very tp everyone for the comments, I'll probably end up going for the D6000.
Side note, why not love for the Sony EX720, price asside?
 
PostmanPot said:
Dolby, I love you man. You bring me such amusement. :D
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... this subsection has degraded since I left, so thought I'd pop over and correct things ;)

PostmanPot said:
Yeah, your peak black level according to a measurement tool.
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Correct - peak white and peak black are better on my 2 year old LCD ... that's what I said?

I didn't mention uniformity at all?
 
PostmanPot said:
http://www.fotodiscountworld.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/287_289_412/products_id/1770

Although might not be suitable in a bright room if you rely heavily on using it in the day at the height of brightness/reflections etc.

But the value for money cannot be beaten.
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PP c'mon man seriously :p

I agree the Samsung plasma's are great and value is awesome, I should know ;) but not for his use with a pc IMO

Dolby said:
Postman - he didn't ask about a plasma?
He asked about an LED - unless I missed something?

FWIW - My friend that bought the 51" D550 a few weeks ago told me there is image retention on the set, although it goes away after a few minutes. I'm not sure who to believe - my own eyes that have seen burnt in screens in his own set or a Panasonic Viera 14 months back, my best friend with image retention on his 2012 model D550 - or a bunch of pro-plasma forum members?
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I had burn in on my plasma but luckily Samsung after service I received was fantastic and the panel was swapped out.

I don't notice any retention but I keep my brightness very low, I actually have it set on movie mode constantly.
 
D3x! said:
PP c'mon man seriously :p

I agree the Samsung plasma's are great and value is awesome, I should know ;) but not for his use with a pc IMO
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Please see previous posts from myself and OP, the basis which led to merely mentioning the value for money pl*sm* on significant special.

Of course, nothing wrong with gaming/movies via PC on pl*sm*.

"Not much use in Windows" (according to OP) though, since open for interpretation, could be fine on the pl*sm* IMO. There are people who use pl*sm*s with PCs. If it's too unpredictable then LCD/LED-LCD is more suitable.

I did suggest the D6000. :)
 
Bigger is better i am running a 46" samsung led tv on my pc and it's bloody amazing. 5 series :D

Avoid buying cheap kuk so you can sit close if you want to work,surf and so on :D
 
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Qwikslver said:
All I'm going to say is that I have a 40" and when I sit 3m away I wish I had a 46".
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I've got a 50" at 3 and I wish it was a 60" and if I had a 60" I probably would have wished for a 70".

Its amazing how quickly you get used to the bigger size, the only problem is seeing smaller tv's and you asking friends why they swapped out their 40" for a 32" when in fact its still the old 40".
 
Jakes147 said:
I've got a 50" at 3 and I wish it was a 60" and if I had a 60" I probably would have wished for a 70".

Its amazing how quickly you get used to the bigger size, the only problem is seeing smaller tv's and you asking friends why they swapped out their 40" for a 32" when in fact its still the old 40".
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that is what she said :D
 
For the amount of money you want to spend, my own situation fits as follows:

I bought LG 47" Cinema 3D LED. TV is in a room with lots of light during the day but fortunately the screen has a matte finish, so I have no reflections problem. The TV also has a "vivid" setting if needed which is really great.

This TV also future proof me and I am really happy with the excellent extra 3D functionality. Besides crystal clear real3D, the system also upscales any content to 3D if you wish.
 
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