Did a Kubuntu build this morning and had no problems with the nvidia drivers. Three clicks to download and install, then a reboot to activate.
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Linux Noob gone crazy
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shooter69
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Erm, also, viruses are patched the next day..... Its not just the security, its how quickly a patch is released.
To the OP. Welcome to the Linux world. Drop Visual Studio and go for a language like php and make more money
I am actually considering it. How hard is php to learn?
I know that they do work for many people. I followed multiple guides to the tee and couldn't get them working so eventually just gave up. Tried through the GUI; tried through terminal. Tried removing all and installing again. Tried updating the headers. Tried older versions. Tried experimental drivers. Tried stable drivers. Nothing worked unfortunately...
Happy Camper
Expert Member
I've been using Linux with Nvidia cards for years, have never had a problem at all. Nvidia drivers for Linux are available as a download from their site and are relatively simple to install. I personally alwyas had major issues with ATI cards on Linux, damn nightmare!
I've been using Linux with Nvidia cards for years, have never had a problem at all. Nvidia drivers for Linux are available as a download from their site and are relatively simple to install. I personally alwyas had major issues with ATI cards on Linux, damn nightmare!
I tried that route too - same result.
It just seems to me like it is a hit-and-miss, and diagnosing the issue and fixing it is not for Linux noobs, no matter what Shuttleworth has to say about it...
AlphaJohn
Honorary Master
I've been using Linux with Nvidia cards for years, have never had a problem at all. Nvidia drivers for Linux are available as a download from their site and are relatively simple to install. I personally alwyas had major issues with ATI cards on Linux, damn nightmare!
+1
Just saying ATI & Linux in the same line gives me nightmares.
Happy Camper
Expert Member
That's the crux of the matter I think: Windows makes you lazy, it disempowers you as a PC user. Linux empowers you and forces you to use your head for a bit, it brings you out of your lazy shell! Nothing wrong with that imo
Give it another try DJ and if you need help just ask.
Happy Camper
Expert Member
Remember on the old distros messing with Xorg config files? Good lord that gave me many grey hairs
That's the crux of the matter I think: Windows makes you lazy, it disempowers you as a PC user. Linux empowers you and forces you to use your head for a bit, it brings you out of your lazy shell! Nothing wrong with that imo
Give it another try DJ and if you need help just ask.
I wasn't lazy about it. I read all of the guides on the subject which is how I can remember them. I don't believe Windows makes a user lazy - I believe it makes it easier. Having to learn a new language just to install something isolated to that environment isn't empowering me. It is just making my life more difficult for me. Having to understand the nature of how computers fundamentally work in order to understand when, how and why to use root is simply not necessary when all I want to do is create a few spreadsheets and listen to music. Having to understand which repositories to have loaded in order to manage what I can and can't install is just overly complicated imo. Having to understand headers and all the schit that goes along with it is convoluted. Understanding the difference between Gnome interfaces and others is ridiculous.
I only point this out because the value proposition from Ubuntu these days is that they are a viable alternative to Windows even for Linux noobs. I wholeheartedly disagree. Previously I understood that I was entering a new world. That new world has now been framed as an easy to use system where everything can be done via the GUI and I think that is disingenuous. Every time I google for an issue I'm given a solution via terminal which is, frankly, far from what I'd call intuitive for a noob...
AlphaJohn
Honorary Master
That's the crux of the matter I think: Ubuntu makes you lazy, it disempowers you as a PC user. Slackware empowers you and forces you to use your head for a bit, it brings you out of your lazy shell! Nothing wrong with that imo
FIFY
The whole idea behind Ubuntu is to remove that scraping the config files with gedit and command line issues. Sure they not 100% yet but my word its a hell of a lot better than the 90s.
Happy Camper
Expert Member
You've made your mind up then, doomed to windows forever
Absolutely not. I'd love to scrap Windows. I just don't know enough about Linux to run it properly yet without having technical support on retainer, and Ubuntu doesn't make it intuitive yet. I used to run Kubuntu, with the help of a fellow forumite who would guide me through it all. See here - http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showgallery.php?cat=682
Loved it but need MS Office for work. The alternatives do not cut it for me as I need VB and proper formatting options. So went back to Windows. But I have a few other machines I'd like to run Ubuntu on instead of Windows. It's not like I didn't try...
I started off with Linux Mint two years back with no help besides Google. Now all I want to use is Linux. I'm by no means advanced in its use, but I don't mind Googling if I've forgotten how to do something.
You can use WINE/PlayOnLinux/Crossover to run windows applications in Linux.
Or create a Virtual Windows PC with VMWare if you really, really don't want to leave Windows permanently.
EDIT: Didn't read about the VB and proper formatting. Honestly not exactly sure what you're talking about and whether it can be done...
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Tinuva
The Magician
VB Macros should still work if you use MS Office via Crossover, which is what I do, since they released a free version of it on voting day or some such in the USA.
I still have LibreOffice installed, but if required I will launch MS Office via CrossOver.
I still have LibreOffice installed, but if required I will launch MS Office via CrossOver.
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
Eish!
wishblade
Senior Member
Yep, have the same setup...
Frankly, what everyone tends to easily forget when moving from one OS to the other, is that if a problem occurred on a Windows machine, how soon would that problem be fixed? Same situation, but on the OS that they came from? Remember, not everything just works on Windows either... but you don't hear people complaining that the Windows OS is schit and until the problem can be fixed they are not going to use it. So, in the case of NVidia drivers not working in Ubuntu, for example: if the NVidia install did not work in Windows, how easily would you be able to change "settings" to force it to work? A couple of clicks in some GUI window here or there to try change a couple of settings? No, different to the Linux setup there. Now assume that the changes didn't work then in Windows? What other options would you be able to try? In linux, you are now free to go find the problem and make whatever change you need to to get the thing to work. Thats the difference. In windows, you tend to be kindof stuck until someone at Microsoft/NVidia releases an updated patch, or whatever...
Which brings the entry point for my second point: for most general users, when things go well, a linux install functions equivalently to a Windows install - almost everything can be accessed/launched/used from the GUI, with no need to start a terminal. In fact, I tend to get a little tired of the distros including the terminal as part of the general "Accessories" menu, rather than as part of the "System" or "Tools" menu, but I digress. The point is that once users want to actually get stuck in and edit their setup, whether it be to fix/resolve an issue,or make changes to a system file, or whatever, the terminal is actually easier to use than a GUI. Which, in all aspects, applies to Windows as well. Except that in Windows the command prompt doesn't quite have as many 'tools' as what the linux terminal has
As for learning different interfaces - thats not necessary unless you choose to do so. But thats the benefit - you only need to learn one interface. If you don't like it, you are free to choose another interface. No such thing on Windows. However, with a change will come a slight 'learning' requirement, but thats from a choice that you initiated. Not something that was forced on you.
Sorry DJ... this isn't meant to be offensive or harsh, if its interpreted like that - I'm just trying to raise discussion about what I feel are neglected aspects of migrating to linux from Windows...
Not offensive at all. My gripe is that Ubuntu is touted as a viable alternative operating system to Windows, even for Linux noobs. It simply isn't in my experience, precisely because of the continued reliance on the terminal. This isn't something that I've ever felt was forced on me. When Ubuntu started marketing 12.10 as an intuitive, simple operating system for noobs, I decided to give it a shot, only to find it is just as complicated as it was before. And I've run Kubuntu before...
Ou grote
Honorary Master
I've also tried it a few times.
You have to spend quite a bit of time getting used to it and setting it up and it can be frustrating.
It's a great OS for single people who have a lot of time to sit in front of a pc whilst not really accomplishing anything.
So for me it wasn't really worth the effort, although I got to at least experience it and don't have to die wondering.
I'm happier with windows, there isn't anything Linux can do for me that windows can't.
And don't have to spend time learning how things work.
Tinuva
The Magician
I wish I could find the story now, but I think it was on osnews at some point. Some techy got tired of cleaning virus' and stuff on his parents pcs all the time, so one day after they asked him to fix it again, he returned it back with Ubuntu and Unity. Long story short, he hasn't heard back about it for a long time, and one day casually looking at they use it, they figured out how to do everything they need to do, all using the opensource stuff usually there with ubuntu, libreoffice, firefox, and watching videos is all they used it for, and that was fine. They also only used the gui, never used the terminal. If they needed to find something, allegedly the Unity mean search function was what they used.
If that isn't super noob linux users, then I don't know what is. His point wasn't actually proving linux is noob friendly, but that Unity is not as bad as people make it out to be.
If that isn't super noob linux users, then I don't know what is. His point wasn't actually proving linux is noob friendly, but that Unity is not as bad as people make it out to be.
