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Bar0n said:
I feel you. What you and kingrob are trying to say is that you two are simply superior to the rest of mankind because you chose correctly. You chose Android, and you have become enlightened. You feel really sorry for the other people who can't see what you've seen. It's not their fault, they're all just so pitiful and you wish you could just talk to them and show them the error of their ways, and convert them to the one true relig... I mean mobile operating system.

Did this phone fall out of a virgin's ****ing vagina? Because you are pretending it's the second coming.
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someone that gets it.




fscksakes, is everyone mentally retarded or something? o wait, that actually explains the WP and iOS choices... nevermind, as you were. here's a lollipop.
 
Bar0n said:
I feel you. What you and kingrob are trying to say is that you two are simply superior to the rest of mankind because you chose correctly. You chose Android, and you have become enlightened. You feel really sorry for the other people who can't see what you've seen. It's not their fault, they're all just so pitiful and you wish you could just talk to them and show them the error of their ways, and convert them to the one true relig... I mean mobile operating system.

Did this phone fall out of a virgin's ****ing vagina? Because you are pretending it's the second coming.
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They suffer from SPS, don't worry ;-) (lets call it small phone syndrome)
 
fanie.dry said:
someone that gets it.

fscksakes, is everyone mentally retarded or something? o wait, that actually explains the WP and iOS choices... nevermind, as you were. here's a lollipop.
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Android is not "the best". It's a great concept, along with other great concepts like iOS and WP. If it truly were "the best", everyone would have one. Nobody walks into Vodacom and tells the salesperson, "Golly gee, I sure wish I could have an affordable S5 Android phone, that one's the best! But, I feel masochistic today, so I'm going to buy an iPhone/Windows Phone even though it's utter shyte and more expensive."

"The best" is a purely subjective matter in today's mobile phone market. Get over yourself. As for build quality, the Galaxy phones feel way too plastic and cheap. I know, because I'm currently using one.
 
Bar0n said:
Android is not "the best". It's a great concept, along with other great concepts like iOS and WP. If it truly were "the best", everyone would have one. Nobody walks into Vodacom and tells the salesperson, "Golly gee, I sure wish I could have an affordable S5 Android phone, that one's the best! But, I feel masochistic today, so I'm going to buy an iPhone/Windows Phone even though it's utter shyte and more expensive."

"The best" is a purely subjective matter in today's mobile phone market. Get over yourself. As for build quality, the Galaxy phones feel way too plastic and cheap. I know, because I'm currently using one.
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Almost everyone has an Android.
 
Bar0n said:
One of the reasons for this is obviously affordability. What percentage of people own flagship Android phones? I think you'll find the number to be a lot smaller.
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Yeah i fully agree.
If Iphone (or even WP) brought out a R500 phone, i'm sure those figures would look a whole lot different.
 
Bar0n said:
Android is not "the best". It's a great concept, along with other great concepts like iOS and WP. If it truly were "the best", everyone would have one. Nobody walks into Vodacom and tells the salesperson, "Golly gee, I sure wish I could have an affordable S5 Android phone, that one's the best! But, I feel masochistic today, so I'm going to buy an iPhone/Windows Phone even though it's utter shyte and more expensive."

"The best" is a purely subjective matter in today's mobile phone market. Get over yourself. As for build quality, the Galaxy phones feel way too plastic and cheap. I know, because I'm currently using one.
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There are different kinds of best. Best for me, and best for you, are two different bests. But there should still be one that is technically the best (offers the most options, functionality, eaz of use, look and feel, etc, etc, etc) All those categories scored will give you an overall best.

If you don't like Samsung, get a different manufacturers phone. There are plenty to choose from. HTC M8 and Sony are great options if you are looking at build quality. That's the beauty of the android ecosystem at the moment.
 
Lament said:
Yeah i fully agree.
If Iphone (or even WP) brought out a R500 phone, i'm sure those figures would look a whole lot different.
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That is true. But that's another reason why Android in my opinion is better (i did say my opinion). Because it allows the manufacturers to create these low cost budget phones that can run on the processing power of a memory stick.
 
Bar0n said:
Android is not "the best". It's a great concept, along with other great concepts like iOS and WP. If it truly were "the best", everyone would have one. Nobody walks into Vodacom and tells the salesperson, "Golly gee, I sure wish I could have an affordable S5 Android phone, that one's the best! But, I feel masochistic today, so I'm going to buy an iPhone/Windows Phone even though it's utter shyte and more expensive."

"The best" is a purely subjective matter in today's mobile phone market. Get over yourself. As for build quality, the Galaxy phones feel way too plastic and cheap. I know, because I'm currently using one.
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Exactly, and thanks for the recognition! It really means a lot to me.

Did you know that I have a gold Android phone? :love:
 
fanie.dry said:
There are different kinds of best. Best for me, and best for you, are two different bests. But there should still be one that is technically the best (offers the most options, functionality, eaz of use, look and feel, etc, etc, etc) All those categories scored will give you an overall best.

If you don't like Samsung, get a different manufacturers phone. There are plenty to choose from. HTC M8 and Sony are great options if you are looking at build quality. That's the beauty of the android ecosystem at the moment.
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If you want "best" in terms of objective reasoning, you can only look at hardware, not the OS. Unless you can tell me which lines of the Android Linux kernel are your favourite? Anything with a "look and feel" becomes subjective.

When examining hardware, every manufacturer compromises somewhere. I'm sure the S5 doesn't have the best camera? I recall that award going to the Lumia 1020? Immediately that becomes a subjective issue. I don't give 2 hoots about the camera, but a lot of other people do. Unless you want us to only compare processor speed and RAM? Why so subjective in your comparisons then?
 
fanie.dry said:
That is true. But that's another reason why Android in my opinion is better (i did say my opinion). Because it allows the manufacturers to create these low cost budget phones that can run on the processing power of a memory stick.
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Better for Manufacturers yes, better for Android, i don't know.
Don't you think that's why Android might freeze sometimes, or bomb out, or be unstable?, they made it open and free for all, everyone's doing their own tweaks and customizations, building roms for their phones, where by Apple said fck off, its our OS, we only change what we want and it only works on 1 phone, making it a much more controlled and stable OS.
Just my opinion though.
 
Lament said:
Better for Manufacturers yes, better for Android, i don't know.
Don't you think that's why Android might freeze sometimes, or bomb out, or be unstable?, they made it open and free for all, everyone's doing their own tweaks and customizations, building roms for their phones, where by Apple said fck off, its our OS, we only change what we want and it only works on 1 phone, making it a much more controlled and stable OS.
Just my opinion though.
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Now you're turning it into an OS war...
 
Bar0n said:
If you want "best" in terms of objective reasoning, you can only look at hardware, not the OS. Unless you can tell me which lines of the Android Linux kernel are your favourite? Anything with a "look and feel" becomes subjective.

When examining hardware, every manufacturer compromises somewhere. I'm sure the S5 doesn't have the best camera? I recall that award going to the Lumia 1020? Immediately that becomes a subjective issue. I don't give 2 hoots about the camera, but a lot of other people do. Unless you want us to only compare processor speed and RAM? Why so subjective in your comparisons then?
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Why only hardware? Let's compare look and feel. iOS wins. They have the most consistency across the OS because of the rules they enforce in their operating system.

Don't look at just hardware, look at the complete package, and compare all these areas, including look and feel. Android won't be winning any 'look and feel' competition at this stage, but they are trying to better it with Android L. Understandably it is a battle because of the flexibility on design options, but if you watch Google I/O this year, you would've seen they are pressing it hard, because they know it is the one area they are probably in last spot.
 
fanie.dry said:
Why only hardware? Let's compare look and feel. iOS wins. They have the most consistency across the OS because of the rules they enforce in their operating system.
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What the **** :wtf:

Nobody wins! It's about "look and feel", which everyone perceives and evaluates differently. You can't evaluate people's tastes for them. You have no idea how anyone else on the street feels about their phone's interface and you absolutely cannot make sweeping statements like that.
 
Bar0n said:
One of the reasons for this is obviously affordability. What percentage of people own flagship Android phones? I think you'll find the number to be a lot smaller.

EDIT: By the way, you're also committing the logical fallacy known as "argumentum ad populum".
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Doesn't look too different. Samsung will still be winning if you added the 5 Samsung Phones together. counterpoint_list.jpg
 
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backstreetboy said:
Doesn't look too different. Samsung will still be winning if you added the 5 Samsung Phones together . View attachment 143942
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We're going down the argumentum ad populum road again, but why do you need to count the previous batch of models with the latest flagship model? Still on the same fallacious train of thought, the Apple is clearly the best phone, since despite its high cost it still tops the list.
 
Lament said:
Better for Manufacturers yes, better for Android, i don't know.
Don't you think that's why Android might freeze sometimes, or bomb out, or be unstable?, they made it open and free for all, everyone's doing their own tweaks and customizations, building roms for their phones, where by Apple said fck off, its our OS, we only change what we want and it only works on 1 phone, making it a much more controlled and stable OS.
Just my opinion though.
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No no, you are completely right. Different choices by both, different outcomes for both.

Apple said 'fsck off'. They get a stabler, prettier and a more reputable OS out of it.
Google said 'come join us'. They get a more functional, powerful and flexible OS out of it.
^this is the good side of each choice

Apple said 'fsck off'. They get less uptake because of the closeness of their OS, and always a step behind.
Google said 'come join us'. They get less stability, fragmentation and security concerns.

Opinion on that view?
 
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