macs at work

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I would like to know if there are some people out there (most probably in the design industry) who has experience of macs in the workplace. How is(?) your experience and what kind of problem do you REGULARLY (if any) experience? This could also involve apple servers.
 

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I would like to know if there are some people out there (most probably in the design industry) who has experience of macs in the workplace. How is(?) your experience and what kind of problem do you REGULARLY (if any) experience? This could also involve apple servers.
Jealousy.

These days there are very few compatibility problems that I've come across but it really depends on the environment you're plugging into. The companies I worked for weren't heavily invested in windows either.
 

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Nowdays on a mac you can run windows inside a VM which eliminates any problems that can be caused on the network - I'd go so far as to say that a mac is better since it is based on unix, and can be modified to do anything that a windows computer can do. ( This spoken as a real windows fan.. )

The only drawback is rendering inside windows - pictures or 3D images will take longer, but for office work there really is little difference.
 

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speaking from experience. I just "upgraded" my wife from a Laptop to an Apple Mac. She was an Art Director and always used a mac, so i thought it would be an easy move for her. The problems i have discovered are as follows:
1. Email. Words cannot describe the pain i've gone through. I tried 4 different progs. All ***. Conversion from outlook a nightmare for all of them (we needed to keep the old mail). Including picures and resizing them in the body of the mail... nightmare.
2. Freehand MX. loads and loads of problems. (Espeically the print spooler)
3. Connecting to a windows network. Fiddly at first, but OK now. (Get the latest updates)
4. Printing from photoshop. Spooler issue i need to try sort out.

I don't care what anyone says. After going through what i gone through (and continue to) i hate the fecking things. Feels like a HUGE step back. Designing is all about the progs, and all of them are available in PC iterations now.
 

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one of the reasons i asked this question is cause i want to know if it is the IT guys at my workplace that doesn't know PCs or if it is the Windows' fault. :)
 

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one of the reasons i asked this question is cause i want to know if it is the IT guys at my workplace that doesn't know PCs or if it is the Windows' fault. :)
Maybe if you explained the difficulties they were experiencing?
 

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Just like, networking issues.

PS.It is kindof difficult not to turn this into another pcmacsmackdown.i don't want it to become one. PLEASE FOCUS MORE ON THE APPLE SIDE.
 

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I have experienced on big corporate flatly refuse to allow my mac to join their network (there was fear in the dudes eyes, I swear it.)

Apart from bureaucracy though: practically its a breeze, I only use the virtualbox for IE (groan) and Outlook (double groan).
 

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speaking from experience. I just "upgraded" my wife from a Laptop to an Apple Mac. She was an Art Director and always used a mac, so i thought it would be an easy move for her. The problems i have discovered are as follows:
1. Email. Words cannot describe the pain i've gone through. I tried 4 different progs. All ***. Conversion from outlook a nightmare for all of them (we needed to keep the old mail). Including picures and resizing them in the body of the mail... nightmare.
2. Freehand MX. loads and loads of problems. (Espeically the print spooler)
3. Connecting to a windows network. Fiddly at first, but OK now. (Get the latest updates)
4. Printing from photoshop. Spooler issue i need to try sort out.

I don't care what anyone says. After going through what i gone through (and continue to) i hate the fecking things. Feels like a HUGE step back. Designing is all about the progs, and all of them are available in PC iterations now.
1. I feel your pain this has been a disaster forever. Outlook 2011 will support *.pst files here's hoping for some improvement.
2. FreehandMX was released in the days of Panther and was broken from day 1. This no fault of apple or OSX, neither Macromedia nor Adobe have fixed it and has now since been discontinued. OSX has seen 3 iterations since then.
3. Connecting to Windows networks have never been a problem on OSX.
4. DO you have the correct driver installed and not the generic postscript driver?

The last comment is what happens when you try and doing it with a pc mindset.
 

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one of the reasons i asked this question is cause i want to know if it is the IT guys at my workplace that doesn't know PCs or if it is the Windows' fault. :)
It's the IT guys at work that don't know OSX. There are tons of resources on the net where an admins can look to help you. You need dedicated OSX support that know what they are doing.
A simple tail to the system log from terminal will even tell you what's going on. If you can't understand that then cutting and pasting the output into google will help.
There are also windows server plugins that will help the macs with connecting to file shares reliably.

www.afp548.com
http://www.grouplogic.com/products/extremeZ-IP/
http://www.quest.com/unix-linux-mac/
 
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@Sputnik. I agree that i have been trying to use the MAC with my PC mindset. Unfortunately, with 20 years of PC behind me and 2 months of Mac its a bit hard not too.

Unforunately, freehand MX has been discontinued and i believe replaced by illustrator, but hard to get my wife to learn a new product. (Adobe still sell Freehand MX which is a cheek)

@macboer, it seems your biggest problems are going to be three fold.
1. Mail conversion of exising mail boxes. (PM if you need to do this.)
2. If your IT guys are purely PC specialists, getting network and general support might be a problem .
3. Users will miss the right click on the mouse.......
 

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Hehehe. I used to help out Core with their Windows servers. For Windows apps we installed a Terminal Server and had RDC connections from the Mac workstations. No issues except Pastel getting their nickers in a twist about licenses. I never had any problems getting Macs to talk to PCs or the other way around. I did have issues from time to time with old printers/scanners/etc and new versions of OSX, and windows for that matter.

Good luck getting your support guys to "understand" Mac. Try find out if any of them are in to Linux. That would be the best option.
 

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Sorry if i mislead anyone. My question was kind of general. I work at a Windows only company all PCs. We have some problems with the network, and also the regular hickups and things that go along with pcs. What i was wonder is just how people experience macs in a company which maybe has a bunch of macs to deal with. (it seems this boertjie is struggling to talk the tale delisiously or something)

Anywho, i know Printers many times give problems but i don't know if that is a mac problem or just the printer. i know this from when i studied Design.
 

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@Sputnik. I agree that i have been trying to use the MAC with my PC mindset. Unfortunately, with 20 years of PC behind me and 2 months of Mac its a bit hard not too.

Unforunately, freehand MX has been discontinued and i believe replaced by illustrator, but hard to get my wife to learn a new product. (Adobe still sell Freehand MX which is a cheek)

@macboer, it seems your biggest problems are going to be three fold.
1. Mail conversion of exising mail boxes. (PM if you need to do this.)
2. If your IT guys are purely PC specialists, getting network and general support might be a problem .
3. Users will miss the right click on the mouse.......
Why oh why. :(

EDIT - you're in luck - I saved the instructions. ;)

 

Sputnik

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Why oh why. :(

EDIT - you're in luck - I saved the instructions. ;)

Mythbusters can do at least two Mac centric episodes; "Mac's don't do right clicks" and "repairing permissions fixes everything".
 

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sigh..

You can attach a PC mouse to mac to give you a left and right click..... But the Mac Keypad mouse on the macbook has only one button. The mouse you buy with the apple logo, only has one button... Seems that they only really want to you to use one button...
 

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sigh..

You can attach a PC mouse to mac to give you a left and right click..... But the Mac Keypad mouse on the macbook has only one button. The mouse you buy with the apple logo, only has one button... Seems that they only really want to you to use one button...
...sigh

On the Macbook track pad, one finger tracks, second finger scrolls, two fingers and button secondary clicks or right clicks. I love it.
 

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Why oh why. :(

EDIT - you're in luck - I saved the instructions. ;)

To be fair bwana your average Mac user doesn't know how to use the mighty mouse. I asked a guy who's been designing for five years to either right-click or use the command/Mac key and click. He honestly asked me where in the application he could find this key.
 

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this is how flame wars about macs vs pc's get started.

i will pass this handy info onto my wife.
two fingers and button secondary clicks or right clicks.
I will be the first to admit that i don't know a hell of a lot about macs, so i'll just sit in my pc corner and keep quiet :p
 

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To be fair bwana your average Mac user doesn't know how to use the mighty mouse. I asked a guy who's been designing for five years to either right-click or use the command/Mac key and click. He honestly asked me where in the application he could find this key.
It's because its control and click for right clicking. Don't confuse the poor guy.
 
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