Make DA Circle Bigger!!!

phoneJunky said:
I think next time will still be to soon for our country. Maybe in two election's time. I think they will get PE before they get Jhb or Pta, and then they can only start thinking about winning the national elections. Upward battle, but entirely possible.
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DA lodges Ekurhuleni objection
2011-05-20 10:44


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Pretoria - "What has happened to the ward ballots?" DA leader Helen Zille asked on Friday after the party lodged an objection with the IEC over voting in Ekurhuleni, Gauteng, which it lost to the ANC by 23 votes.

According to the DA a polling station at Margeret Maltman Creche (KwaThema) allegedly stayed open for half an hour longer, and at a voting station at Dalview Primary School in Brakpan, 200 more proportional votes were allegedly counted than ward votes.

"...Two hundred fewer ward ballots compared to proportional ballots? That's very strange," Zille said.

"What happened to the ward ballots?"

Zille said if this hadn't happened, the DA would have won in Ekurhuleni.

"There would have been a different outcome."

The objection was lodged on Thursday night, said Mike Moriarty, a senior representative on the party's liaison committee at the Independent Electoral Commission (IEC).

He said an affidavit from the DA's party agent was received earlier on Wednesday, and "this was his version of the facts".

The DA was seeking a recount of the votes.

"This is enough to cause a re-election," Moriarty said, adding that if the IEC found no discrepancies, the party may go to an electoral court.

"We may well do so. We will have to make decisions based on the outcome [of the objection]."

He said the IEC would in the meantime see if the complaint had any substance. The presiding officers at the voting stations would be interviewed. One of the questions to be answered was if voters were issued with ward ballots.

If there was a finding in the DA's favour the ANC stood to lose ward seats, Moriarty said.

When asked if DA supporters had been educated on the fact that voters should be given two ballots at a local government election, Zille said: "We do that all the time."
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Here is the full article from news24
 
I think she meant the DA would have won a ward in Ekurhuleni. According to the IEC website ANC got almost double the amount of votes the DA got in total.
 
phoneJunky said:
I think next time will still be to soon for our country. Maybe in two election's time. I think they will get PE before they get Jhb or Pta, and then they can only start thinking about winning the national elections. Upward battle, but entirely possible.
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Although I admire your enthusiasm I beg of you to be realistic.... The run up to the election was marred by violent protests in North, yet somehow the ANC still managed to get similar results to the previous election (the DA did better but only because the other parties were so pathetic)

The truth of the matter is the ANC can do pretty much anything they like to the population and they will still win - Mugabe is having his people starve on the street and yet Zanu PF is still on top (by force if nothing else) What makes you think the same wouldn't be true here should the DA or any other party stand even a small chance of taking a larger chunk of RSA and deity forbid come close in a national election.

I am not being negative just realistic.....
 
From IEC website:

JHB at 04:10: ANC 58.56%, DA 34.62%, 2.2mil votes
PTA at 11:01: ANC 55.34% (up from 55.11%), DA 38.64% (down from 38.87%), 1.46mil votes
 
warchylde said:
Although I admire your enthusiasm I beg of you to be realistic.... The run up to the election was marred by violent protests in North, yet somehow the ANC still managed to get similar results to the previous election (the DA did better but only because the other parties were so pathetic)

The truth of the matter is the ANC can do pretty much anything they like to the population and they will still win - Mugabe is having his people starve on the street and yet Zanu PF is still on top (by force if nothing else) What makes you think the same wouldn't be true here should the DA or any other party stand even a small chance of taking a larger chunk of RSA and deity forbid come close in a national election.

I am not being negative just realistic.....
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Yes I know, but I do come from a bit of a different background and I see some of the peoples opinion change. Before this last two elections about 90% of people I knew voted ANC if they voted. Some didn't vote because they didn't want to vote against the against the ANC etc. Now only about 20% of the people I know vote ANC. People don't just chance their votes over night.

And the fact of the matter is, even though the people are unhappy with the ANC, they did make and are still making live better for most people. I know you don't see it but I do, because I know people that got helped when the ANC ran the municipality that I lived in. The only thing that made the people I know turn their vote was the DA showing that they can also do it in Cape Town, and that they can do it better.

People will change their vote if you give them reason to.
 
Wyzak said:
From IEC website:

JHB at 04:10: ANC 58.56%, DA 34.62%, 2.2mil votes
PTA at 11:01: ANC 55.34% (up from 55.11%), DA 38.64% (down from 38.87%), 1.46mil votes
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Those are WAY more votes than was predicted. IEC first said Pretoria had around 1.1mil votes. Those DA results are still good. Next time.
 
BlackBox said:
Well,with one eye I smile but with the other I cry - keep in mind,democracy was not ment for people/communities with so different a mentality, forced to reside and share one country. Honestly, how many people in here believe the ANC will accept total defeat (one day perhaps)? Then the 'liberation struggle' will have to begin all over again. Look up north if you don't get what I am saying. Is nice the DA made inroads all over. Now they can keep the ANC on a even shorter leash :D
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That's the beauty of democracy, though. If the ANC is ever defeated and the DA (for argument's sake) is voted into office, it means that the majority of the population want the DA running the show. A new liberation struggle can begin, but it will only have the weight of the minority behind it. And probably only a small fraction of that minority -- a fanatical few who won't accept a democratic outcome.

Maybe I'm being naive...
 
This morning on Redi's show on 702 she had an interesting opinion on why people kept voting for the ANC ...... she likened it to people who kept on voting for the NP during apartheid.

It is a bit more complicated IMO:

During apartheid, a small number of people (white) kept on voting NP in order to keep their privileges and keep their 'special place' in society based on their colour.

After apartheid:
- a fair number of black people (the elite as well as the the new black middle class) keep on voting ANC in order to keep their privileges and keep their 'special place' in society based on their colour.
- a large number of black people (the poorest of the poor) keep on voting ANC because they are uneducated and thus do not know any better and they are brainwashed into prioritsing loyalty over common sense.

JMO.
 
From IEC website:

JHB at 04:10: ANC 58.56%, DA 34.62%, 2.2mil votes
PTA at 12:01: ANC 55.32% (down from 55.34%), DA 38.65% (up from 38.64%), 1.466mil votes
 
More people voted for the ACDP than ANC in my district.. and the DA got 97.5% :D
 
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From the m&g's editorial... good advice for the DA there,
The DA worked hard to portray itself as a non-racial party, even *repeatedly invoking itself as the party that best represents the rainbow nation of Nelson Mandela. But it will have to do more to speak *genuinely to the interests of black South Africans. Beyond the elections it will have to pronounce itself on affirmative action, employment equity, job *creation and other issues that indicate how it balances its strong representation of minorities with the genuine interests of the black masses to which it is appealing.

The results have shown that voters who have not traditionally voted DA are slowly beginning to take interest in its message. This means that while speaking to the good governance of Cape Town, the DA should also be saying that the building of unenclosed toilets in Khayelitsha was an aberration rather than what the DA believes township dwellers deserve. It is not enough to say the ANC also did the same in Vijoenskroon. The DA must heed its own message from its internal analysis five years ago: "One good way of assessing where a party's heart really lies is to ask the question, 'What makes the people in this party angry?'" was what DA strategist Ryan Coetzee asked then.
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Anyone watching this MALema monkey on eNews? :D

A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below.

She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a DA supporter!"

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist," everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me"

The man smiled and responded, "You must be an ANC Government official"

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you are going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but, somehow, now it's my fault."
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Why is KZN so slow? Everyone sleeping? I need to know the results for our ward! Anyone know? I'm in North Beach
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
The toilets were enclosed. The ANCYL tore the structures down, making it unenclosed. Funny how this is never mentioned...
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The toilets were unenclosed->big uproar->toilets enclosed->ANCYL tears down the non-concrete enclosures->courts cases, etc
 
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