Make farm murders a priority - FF+

killadoob said:
So if 3% of all murdered people happened to be domestic workers would we also call that genocide? Genocide of the domestic worker.

How about gardeners, perhaps there is Gardner genocide we are unaware of. Perhaps i should find out how many sales reps are murdered, who knows we could also be candidates for genocide.
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Genocide is not simply murder, you actually go out of your way to victimise a race group. the fact that some farmers die, as horrible as it is, means nothing when people from other race groups die in very similar ways, the difference being that they're not white and on a farm.

genocide also suggests that farm murders are organised and orchestrated by someone. there is no pattern or any avidence to suggest that murderers and rapists act out of anyone's interests other than their own. they may themselves be racists, but it has more to do with them being mentally disturbed from a poor upbringing or another issue.

worst still, the fact that the community against white genocide consists largely of racists and conspiracy theorists doesn't help the movement. i can tell you now too they wouldn't bat an eyelid for the black people murdered in farm attacks
 
killadoob said:
Due to that fact they make up a small percentage of all murders?

What makes you feel that way? Is it a farm murder makes news while the other 48 people don't get a mention? Could you list your reasons why farmers who make up 1-3% of all deaths are more at risk than your average person?
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Well the reason I feel this way is that farmers make up such a small percentage of the population and according to that proportion of the general population they have a high murder rate. Its not the number of farm murders that matter but rather the percentage that makes a difference. They make up a 1-3 % of murders but remember they are a tiny minority so the 1-3% suddenly becomes a huge issue.

Personally I would feel safer here in CT then been a farmer somewhere in the bundu. I hope that explains my feelings?
 
Well i don't get the whole genocide thing because people of all colour are brutally murdered everyday and blacks make up the majority of brutal murders.

If anything there is black genocide going on not white but try get that past the white okes :D.
 
killadoob said:
Well i don't get the whole genocide thing because people of all colour are brutally murdered everyday and blacks make up the majority of brutal murders.

If anything there is black genocide going on not white but try get that past the white okes :D.
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Well you are partly right here. There is a high murder rate among black people but correct me if I am wrong but the perpetrators are black. Also even though black people suffer alot of murders etcetera they are in the majority. So their percentage of the black population compared to the percentage of murders of black people, although very high, probably does not compare to the percentage of farm murders related to the total population of farmers.
 
Slootvreter said:
How is it better? Showing your dismay about this on a FB page, and then going back to what you were doing? Big help there...
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Start a page called "Make farm murders a priority crime", invite people people you know, they invite people they know. Once you have a substantial user base you essentially have a digital petition that is a lot more accurate than those e-mail types that go around.

Either way, it's just a suggestion, I'm just trying to contribute to making this priority crime.
 
Fudzy said:
Start a page called "Make farm murders a priority crime", invite people people you know, they invite people they know. Once you have a substantial user base you essentially have a digital petition that is a lot more accurate than those e-mail types that go around.

Either way, it's just a suggestion, I'm just trying to contribute to making this priority crime.
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Petitions /sigh. Do you know how many farm murder awareness pages and petitions there are already on FB? And almost daily I get invites to like a page for some cause. People do that and then feel that they have contributed to a cause, and then they go back to working or drinking or whatever. Useless.
 
Well Killadoob, where would you prefer to live then? Accordingly to you its safer on a farm than any other area of the country. Then why are you not a farmer?
 
Slootvreter said:
Petitions /sigh. Do you know how many farm murder awareness pages and petitions there are already on FB? And almost daily I get invites to like a page for some cause. People do that and then feel that they have contributed to a cause, and then they go back to working or drinking or whatever. Useless.
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Are they backed by political parties or action groups such as boeregenocide/censorbugbear? If the latter it's no suprising that they are failing.
 
The question should have been. How many people on this forum are farmers? A lot of speculation from the forum. Let's hear from the horses mouth.
 
Thugscub said:
The question should have been. How many people on this forum are farmers? A lot of speculation from the forum. Let's hear from the horses mouth.
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Should be interesting, I know farmers in the midlands/Vryheid and they work outdoors mostly during the day. Internet forums are more condusive to cublicle dwellers.
 
In the district I live in the murdered farmers were. Beth Radloff, Hein Gesike, Tommy Wille, one of the Schutte brothers, a Moolman, Brian Earles farm manager there are a few more that I can't think of right now. Tabs Fox survived 4 bullets shot into him. My dad survived an attack so did a lot of others.
So yeah there is no problem.
 
Thugscub said:
In the district I live in the murdered farmers were. Beth Radloff, Hein Gesike, Tommy Wille, one of the Schutte brothers, a Moolman, Brian Earles farm manager there are a few more that I can't think of right now. Tabs Fox survived 4 bullets shot into him. My dad survived an attack so did a lot of others.
So yeah there is no problem.
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Hectic, I remember the Schutte brother case but what time period were the rest over?
 
Mostly in the last 10 years. One about 20 years ago. I think the point is that the small communities really feel the effects of a murder. ALSO the black people are being hammered, the farmers but more so in the towns,
 
killadoob said:
Due to that fact they make up a small percentage of all murders?

What makes you feel that way? Is it a farm murder makes news while the other 48 people don't get a mention? Could you list your reasons why farmers who make up 1-3% of all deaths are more at risk than your average person?
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Because they make up a much smaller percentage of the the population, obviously.
Are farmers being murdered to a significantly higher degree than they are committing murders?
That's the real question.
 
smalltownsky said:
Genocide is not simply murder, you actually go out of your way to victimise a race group.
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Malema and his uneducated ilk did that very well. Attacks on certian groups by a "leader" who also promises "economic freedom" sticks in the heads of their following. Hitler is a case and point.

smalltownsky said:
the fact that some farmers die, as horrible as it is, means nothing when people from other race groups die in very similar ways, the difference being that they're not white and on a farm.
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Yeah cutting off a 60yr old's fingers and burning with iron and boiling water is NOT hate crime?

smalltownsky said:
genocide also suggests that farm murders are organised and orchestrated by someone.
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See my first post re. Malema. Might not be "organised" but its definitely enticed.

smalltownsky said:
worst still, the fact that the community against white genocide consists largely of racists and conspiracy theorists doesn't help the movement. i can tell you now too they wouldn't bat an eyelid for the black people murdered in farm attacks
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Please share the facts before making skewed comments
Is white people standing up for other white people (ie family friends etc) now branded racist according to you?
Is the Black Management Forum racist?
 
TheHiveMind said:
Because they make up a much smaller percentage of the the population, obviously.
Are farmers being murdered to a significantly higher degree than they are committing murders?
That's the real question.
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Jip, I believe there are approx 40 000 commercial farmers in SA. Include their families then it's probably in the area of 200 000 people. If there is 50 million people living in SA then farm murders need only to be 0.4% of the total murders to be on par with the rest of the country. My guess would be that it is higher than 1% of all murders. So yes farming has become a high risk occupation.
 
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http://www.iol.co.za/mercury/south-africa-s-ever-shrinking-farmers-1.1167943
Ernst Janovsky, head of Absa AgriBusiness, said that in 1980 there had been around 128 000 commercial farmers, which had dropped to 58 000 in 1997 and to just under 40 000 today. Predictions were that this would drop to 15 000 in the next 15 years.

South Africa, which used to export more food than it imported, became a net importer of food from 2007. Organised agriculture has said the reason for the decline in South African agriculture is twofold: the input costs of farming are rising faster than output; and there is a high level of uncertainty around government policies affecting agriculture.

“This is not about government-bashing. We are not fighting the government. This is about saying: ‘Just let us know what the policies are, what the rules are, and let’s go forward’,” Janovsky said.
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Just to get some kind of source for the number of farmers, and where that number were a few years back ....
 
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