Make farm murders a priority - FF+

[STS]

Of course you are defending him! Your's was a typical response - "taken out of context" / "I was actually trying to say" / "What I meant was" ....
He threatens farmers to give up 80% of their land or risk being attacked - where the F is the conspiracy? In fact now he is directly involved!


Please rephrase the first sentence? What was Malema trying to justify?

first, have you gone to the sites i told you about? you haven't replied to that comment of mine.

of coruse it was taken out of context, i don't know what the original context was, thus the "*i think*". it's easier for you to believe that he is a mastermind behind farm murders and that there is a conspiracy against white people than him trying to justify a terrible thing and come out looking good.

another example, hypothetically, is i love men, i'm pro-men and believe women should be put in their place. i say in an interview that men are being abused and are victims, the interviewer retorts that women are raped everyday by men. i then reply that women will continue to get raped as long as they dress slutty and lead men on.

see that? i didn't condone rape or say i support it, but i shifted the problem back to women, which is what Malema does and harps on about all the time. Malema has treated A LOT of people like ****, not just white farmers.

AGAIN, i am against farm murders, but farmer murders does not equal white genocide. if people can make a distinction between the two i would give a lot more respect to this topic

 

[Thugscub]

Boys and girls never mind the bull**** theorys the problem still remains. Far to many people are being murdered in South Africa every day. WTF is the ANC going to do about it?

 

[Fudzy]

Boys and girls never mind the bull**** theorys the problem still remains. Far to many people are being murdered in South Africa every day. WTF is the ANC going to do about it?

You mean the government?

 

[Flanders]

Boys and girls never mind the bull**** theorys the problem still remains. Far to many people are being murdered in South Africa every day. WTF is the ANC going to do about it?

Absolutely fsckall!

 

[Eskimos]

Well Killadoob, where would you prefer to live then? Accordingly to you its safer on a farm than any other area of the country. Then why are you not a farmer?

The majority of people don't pick a profession based on the fact of where it is safest to live. Not that he actually implied that but just to show the flaws in your logic.

The question should have been. How many people on this forum are farmers? A lot of speculation from the forum. Let's hear from the horses mouth.

Its always difficult when asking people directly about these problems. I know some people who claim "white genocide" and then I know more farmers who actually enjoy their lifestyle and don't really care for the genocide stories. It would come down to statistics really to get an independent and objective view on things.

Because they make up a much smaller percentage of the the population, obviously.
Are farmers being murdered to a significantly higher degree than they are committing murders?
That's the real question.

No its not. I guarentee you that some people have been victims to violent crimes from all race groups and backgrounds yet haven't commited crimes themselves. It basically comes down to, for any claim of genocide to be taken even a little seriously, is there a disproportional amount of white victims (or white farmers if we want to start defining people by professions and race), that fall victim to crime compared to other races and professions. I think statistics overwhelmingly say that there is no such merit in a "genocide" claim. In fact many experts claim that poor black communities don't even report crimes anymore and thus statistics are understated for black communities, which would actually make the white farmer percentage even less then what it is claimed to be now.

Boys and girls never mind the bull**** theorys the problem still remains. Far to many people are being murdered in South Africa every day. WTF is the ANC going to do about it?

Thats basically what everyone should be worried about. Not which race is getting murdered but rather how can we and more importantly what is the government doing to stop all these murders.

 

[TheHiveMind]

No its not. I guarentee you that some people have been victims to violent crimes from all race groups and backgrounds yet haven't commited crimes themselves. It basically comes down to, for any claim of genocide to be taken even a little seriously, is there a disproportional amount of white victims (or white farmers if we want to start defining people by professions and race), that fall victim to crime compared to other races and professions. I think statistics overwhelmingly say that there is no such merit in a "genocide" claim. In fact many experts claim that poor black communities don't even report crimes anymore and thus statistics are understated for black communities, which would actually make the white farmer percentage even less then what it is claimed to be now.

I didn't say genocide. I said they are clearly over represented, to the point where we can predict them as very likely targets and do something about it by making it a priority. But it seems noone wants to do that, people might perceive it as giving the genocide or race claims credence. But we are talking about innocent lives being lost, and we are talking about brutal murderers on the loose, nevermind the social and economic impacts.

 

[Eskimos]

I didn't say genocide. I said they are clearly over represented, to the point where we can predict them as very likely targets and do something about it by making it a priority. But it seems noone wants to do that, people might perceive it as giving the genocide or race claims credence. But we are talking about innocent lives being lost, and we are talking about brutal murderers on the loose, nevermind the social and economic impacts.

I don't think you can say they are being over represented. You either have to look it as attacks on whites or as attacks on farmers. If whites were grossly over represented I think the topic would be valid, but for farmers its different. They are often based in areas surrounded by poorer areas and people see farms as the richer places in their neighborhood. Also if we are using farmers, then what about other professions? What about statistics on lawyers, domestic workers, accountants etc.

Basically innocent lives are being lost in the country and we need to rectify this. No group should be made more/less special then any others.

 

[TheHiveMind]

I don't think you can say they are being over represented. You either have to look it as attacks on whites or as attacks on farmers. If whites were grossly over represented I think the topic would be valid, but for farmers its different.

Whites are significantly over represented, relative to the amount of murders they are committing.

Basically innocent lives are being lost in the country and we need to rectify this. No group should be made more/less special then any others.

Oh, the group that is doing very little murdering and is being murdered at a high rate should absolutely take priority, unless you want to undermine your own laws by not prioritizing those obeying them.

 

[STS]

I don't think you can say they are being over represented. You either have to look it as attacks on whites or as attacks on farmers. If whites were grossly over represented I think the topic would be valid, but for farmers its different. They are often based in areas surrounded by poorer areas and people see farms as the richer places in their neighborhood. Also if we are using farmers, then what about other professions? What about statistics on lawyers, domestic workers, accountants etc.

Basically innocent lives are being lost in the country and we need to rectify this. No group should be made more/less special then any others.

thank you. we need to help everyone

 

[Eskimos]

Whites are significantly over represented, relative to the amount of murders they are committing.

Oh, the group that is doing very little murdering and is being murdered at a high rate should absolutely take priority, unless you want to undermine your own laws by not prioritizing those obeying them.

So wait, you are basically saying that whites should get priority rights to security and safety because a lower proportion of them commit crimes? What about all those black families who live perfectly legal lifestyles, why must they suffer? What about Indians, coloureds, Chinese and the rest? I'm not sure about you but I don't look at everyone from a race and say they should be treated like x. We are each individuals and each do our own things, the guy over there while being the same skin colour can have completely different values, morals and lifestyle choices to me. You can't make blanket statements for an entire race.

What proportion of blacks do you think commit crimes? Lets say for argument sake a round number like 10%. You are saying basically screw the 90% good blacks, lets prioritise whites (whether they are good or bad people because lets be honest there is a decent proportion of whites that commit crime). I'm pretty sure you can see the flaw in this.

Also just to clarify in case you don't fully understand but a black on white crime doesn't mean its race related. Also in black culture for example their are sub cultures like Zulus, Xhosa etc. For all we know Xhosas could be the most targeted group in South Africa but I don't think people really kick up a fuss about it.

 

[TheHiveMind]

Ok, don't prioritize it.

/me passes SA some scissors for it's nose.