Manual transmissions

Am I one of the few people who don't really mind either way? Drive both in traffic depending, usually about 1.5h traffic one way with a 50/50 chance of same traffic home depending on when I leave that day.

About 20km trip. Only thing I'd really like is a stop and start car for traffic, would probably bring my consumption down on most bad days.
 
nazmo said:
I think its quite important to be specific in terms of what is "automatic" in relation to this thread. Most posts refer to the more traditional (and slower) auto boxes. You also get Dual Clutch (which is electronically controlled manual boxes) and the modern super fast auto boxes (like ZF boxes). They all vary drastically in terms of involvement, economy, feedback. Personally I wont have a car with the more traditional box, has to be either a 100ms auto box or Dual Clutch transmission if its a daily/commute/weekend car.
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That's what confuses me. Considering I haven't driven an automatic car for 20 years, what is this "Dual Clutch" vs "100ms auto box" vs "ZF boxes" that you mentioned? Clearly I have some catching up to do!

Which one do you recommend (bearing in mind that I'm not a racing car driver - I just want to get from A to B as quickly, economically and fast as possible)?
 
Rouxenator said:
Modern slushboxes improved a lot. I was blown away at how quick the 8speed auto in the Amarok V6 shifts, so much so that I initially thought it was a DCT box. Thankfully VW wants the Amarok to actually last so no DSG there :p

Have a look at how many cars used the trusty Aisin 6-speed auto : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC
That is rather impressive.
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Hopefully you are wrong on that, the gearbox in the Passat is still in top notch condition at 110k kms.
 
DiamondEagle said:
That's what "scares" me! Considering I haven't driven an automatic car for 20 years, what is this "Dual Clutch" vs "100ms auto box" vs "ZF boxes" that you mentioned? Clearly I have some catching up to do!

Which one do you recommend (bearing in mind that I'm not a racing car driver - I just want to get from A to B as quickly, economically and fast as possible)?
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Daily commute a classic torque converter is the best to have.

ZF-8 Speed is basically best torque converter on the market currently.Through I think cheapest car with ZF 8-speed is 1-series bmw.
 
Yeah we've got both in our household (actually using our old Yaris this week) and I don't mind manual at all; that said I'm pretty close to work, 6 km, so honestly don't even notice changing gears.
Going forward we'll probably stick to autos though - just more convenient. Wife has an auto and will never go back to manual.

As an aside having a dual clutch car (DSG, PDK, whatever your brand calls it) is like being in cross fit, or running a marathon. How do you know someone has it? They'll tell you.
 
Has one ridden a DCT/Auto motorcycle.

It is actually quite smooth, with Manual shift options being a available. It's not bad at all.
 
DiamondEagle said:
That's what confuses me. Considering I haven't driven an automatic car for 20 years, what is this "Dual Clutch" vs "100ms auto box" vs "ZF boxes" that you mentioned? Clearly I have some catching up to do!

Which one do you recommend (bearing in mind that I'm not a racing car driver - I just want to get from A to B as quickly, economically and fast as possible)?
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Im still confused hahahahaaaa....

But as Gtx Gaming said. ZF is the cream of auto torque converter crop. so much so that many manufacturers ditched dual clutch in favour of it.

Dual clutch is just that. think of having 2 small gearboxes, one with even gears, one with odd gears. while you in an even gear, the other half pre-selects the odd gear, and they swop clutches to disengage the odd and engage even. it means very fast changes. it also means alot of electronics, mechanical bits and expenses. Dual clutch or (DSG, EDC, DCT, whatever you want to call it) in theory is the fastest consumer box out there (not counting proper racing sequential). But they often have their limits in terms of torque, longevity. As far as I know, just like ZF is supplying tons of high performance brands, Getrag supplies Dual clutch to lots of brands as well.

Either way. as I have never driven a proper high performance car with a ZF, for me its either manual, regular auto or dual clutch.. and i chose dual clutch every time.
 
older automatics = pathetic.
New automatics = WOW -- DSG, CVT

Manual is still a winner hands down in zero traffic, however - in traffic, my DSG is THEE best. I have both, and wouldnt dare with a manual in the daily work commute. Weekends -- out comes the stick shift and left leg workout.

Its more rewarding yes, but its a case of... desire VS need. I need a reliable car.. but I desire the OPEL BOSS GSI....
 
CT_Biker said:
But DCT = BMW.
PDK = Porsche
Merc = Speedshift
FIAT/Chrysler/Alfa = ETCT
Renault = EDS I think

Everyone has their own name for a DCT
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Porsche = VAG.

I believe he was including everything under the umbrella with his statement.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Porsche = VAG.

I believe he was including everything under the umbrella with his statement.
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Mike clarified this in a comment yesterday.

Sinbad said:
Speedshift isn't DCT.
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AMG use the "Speedshift" moniker for all of their gearboxes. I think they differentiate between the two by having "Speedshift" attached to their longitudal transmissions and "SPEEDSHIFT" for the A Class FWD/4WD/Helldex(Haldex) based transmissions.
 
"Models with the M133 Turbo 4 are paired with a 7-speed AMG SPEEDSHIFT Dual-Clutch Transmission. The CLA45 AMG can accelerate from 0-60 Mph (0–97 km/h) in 4.2 seconds, according to Motor Trend's first test of the vehicle.[" - in reference to the A45/CLA45 AMG model

" "65" models used a 5-speed automatic transmission for a long time, as the newer 7G-Tronic wasn't able to handle the torque from the V12 engines. This was changed with the introduction of 2012 SL65 AMG, which uses the same AMG SpeedShift MCT transmission as the rest of the AMG line-up." - in reference to the "65" AMG models

Taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-AMG
 
Most automatics also have manual option less the clutch pedal. I enjoyed it on my Passat. When sitting in traffic, auto is the way to go, espically after work when you are tired.
 
CT_Biker said:
Mike clarified this in a comment yesterday.



AMG use the "Speedshift" moniker for all of their gearboxes. I think they differentiate between the two by having "Speedshift" attached to their longitudal transmissions and "SPEEDSHIFT" for the A Class FWD/4WD/Helldex(Haldex) based transmissions.
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Aaah now it rings a bell yes.

The term didn't come up with any Google.
 
Nope you not old school. You still a real man that like to drive the car, feel the pressure of the shifter sliding the car into each gear. Where you control the drive and you drive the car not the car that drive you. You still in control, a real driver.
You don't complain about your leg getting sore because you have to use a clutch in rush hour traffic because your still a man and not an little girl that probably use "man make up". You can still change a tyre fix your own stuff and still know how to do a proper burn out. You probably have an garage full of tools. You the type of guy that can MacGyver fix anything.
If old school means being a man then I am old school. Keep your autobox , seems we have many girls that need them.

"tongue in cheek" please remain calm. I respect all people even those that drive auto.:D:D:D
 
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