Manual transmissions

nazmo said:
Im curious to see what the manual only crowd drives thats so exciting, and what the auto crowd drives. To some a car is a tool only, to some an appliance, in those cases auto should always win. Modern autos are as effecient and some more so than manuals. The drivetrain loss on DSG is not worse than manual...

I also dont get the "only girls drive auto".... A Mclaren P1 isnt very girly.
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My daily commute 100% appliance to get me from point A to B. 2002 opel astra 1.6.
 
Freddl said:
There is no such thing as a reliable disco
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Care to elaborate or are you just basing that on the old landies horrible track records and personal biased views?

It's dangerous to generalize,the e46 320d was not reliable at all while the e90 320d is probably the most reliable diesel engine in a car ever.
 
nazmo said:
Im curious to see what the manual only crowd drives thats so exciting, and what the auto crowd drives. To some a car is a tool only, to some an appliance, in those cases auto should always win. Modern autos are as effecient and some more so than manuals. The drivetrain loss on DSG is not worse than manual...

I also dont get the "only girls drive auto".... A Mclaren P1 isnt very girly.
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Manual 6 speed diesel Civic, previously Rexton with 5g-tronic (merc 'box) - torque converter, I believe.
And bike- manual sequential.
Also, he's trying to trigger you/me/us/the pro-auto crowd.
 
SykomantiS said:
Manual 6 speed diesel Civic, previously Rexton with 5g-tronic (merc 'box) - torque converter, I believe.
And bike- manual sequential.
Also, he's trying to trigger you/me/us/the pro-auto crowd.
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Yeah im sure he is trying to get a rise. And I actually dont disagree with alot of his manual claims.
I would love a manual tracktoy. But to live with a fast auto is it for me (modern auto's are dual clutch quick these days. ZF's are amazing)....
 
falcon786 said:
Care to elaborate or are you just basing that on the old landies horrible track records and personal biased views?

It's dangerous to generalize,the e46 320d was not reliable at all while the e90 320d is probably the most reliable diesel engine in a car ever.
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I base this on personal experience. In general you have to be a very rich person to drive any car with more than 100 000 km on the clock. With Landies you have to be rich period - even if they only have a few thousand on the clock.

Landrovers have the distinction of being one of the few brands where you simply have to sell it once the warranty lapses or it will ruin you. You are also almost guaranteed that if you own the car for a year, it will spend anything from a week to 4 weeks in a workshop.

These cars also have a reckless disregard for the concept of fuel economy. Take a Mercedes or a BMW SUV manufactured in the last two or three years and you will find that they use less than half of the diesel that the Disco uses.
 
Freddl said:
I base this on personal experience. In general you have to be a very rich person to drive any car with more than 100 000 km on the clock. With Landies you have to be rich period - even if they only have a few thousand on the clock.
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What a load of crap. That would depend on the car. My car car already went over that mark, my SO's will be there in 12k km, both have been very reliable and I plan on keeping both well past that mark. And even if it costs me a few rand to maintain, it would probably still be cheaper than to replace either with new cars.
 
Cr419 said:
What a load of crap. That would depend on the car. My car car already went over that mark, my SO's will be there in 12k km, both have been very reliable and with I plan on keep both well past that mark. And even if it costs me a few rand to maintain, it would probably still be cheaper than to replace either with new cars.
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100% agreed.
Even if it costs R5k a month to maintain my cars, which it doesn't, that's still like a quarter what it would cost to replace them with something equivalent.
 
Freddl said:
I base this on personal experience. In general you have to be a very rich person to drive any car with more than 100 000 km on the clock. With Landies you have to be rich period - even if they only have a few thousand on the clock.
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Ja. That's BS. My car has 300k on the clock and I find it difficult to spend R1000 a month on maintenance. Other than that it cost me nothing just petrol at 6l/100km
 
Freddl said:
I base this on personal experience. In general you have to be a very rich person to drive any car with more than 100 000 km on the clock. With Landies you have to be rich period - even if they only have a few thousand on the clock.
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In general you have to be rich to replace you car with a new one every time it hits 100 000km (not used).
 
Just a question. If you drive a auto car in manual mode most of the time, is there any accelerated wear?
I am asking this as when I drive my Kuga in manual mode, the downshifts are so much more jerky than just leaving the car does its own thing in auto mode.
 
Moneywaster said:
Just a question. If you drive a auto car in manual mode most of the time, is there any accelerated wear?
I am asking this as when I drive my Kuga in manual mode, the downshifts are so much more jerky than just leaving the car does its own thing in auto mode.
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I assume the Kuga is dual clutch? I think anything that creates more of a mechanical impact, like jerkiness or more aggressive actions will cause a bit more wear, though im pretty sure that its well within standard wear and tear parameters. in race my my upshifts get quite violent. and Launch control has a limit of 15000, so im pretty sure you ok.
 
Splinter said:
Only guys insecure about their masculinity think that..
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Same type of person that thinks they are better as they are driving bigger cars. It's just compensating for their lack of personality added to what you said.
 
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