[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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j4ck455 said:
I'm tempted to buy a newspaper, use that particular page to pick up squishy dog turds, and put it in an envelope and post it off to Woosy Moaner @ SANRAL.
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They have another ad two pages before, claiming that cost of collection is only 13c in the rand. Liars.

But that said, they do include payment of loans in the other 87c. And a large portion of the loan was for the collection infrastructure. Cheeky liars on top of it.
 
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lucifir said:
hope they get taking to ASA for false advertising
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The ASA are toothless, they will let anything slide as long as the people promise not to use it again in that form.

13c in the rand, compared to 0c in the rand for the fuel levy. It's clear which one is not sustainable.
 
Someone I know is being headhunted for a senior management position at the etoll consortium. Not sure how to deal with this... :/
 
Sinbad said:
Someone I know is being headhunted for a senior management position at the etoll consortium. Not sure how to deal with this... :/
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Sounds like a friendship test to me. If he/she accepts the job, then you know :D
 
Wyzak said:
13c in the rand, compared to 0c in the rand for the fuel levy. It's clear which one is not sustainable.
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+1
SANRAL are starting to sound desperate but it's too late - people are starting to see through all the lies and misinformation and this latest stunt is just making them look silly.
 
The % of hybrids on the roads are negligable and traffic gets worse, not better each year. Fuel sales are up not down despite care getting more fuel efficient. Liars.
 
Cius said:
The % of hybrids on the roads are negligable and traffic gets worse, not better each year. Fuel sales are up not down despite care getting more fuel efficient. Liars.
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Let me play devils advocate - Fuel sales are up, but I would think with the drive for fuel efficiency that the multiple that the sales are up with is less than the multiple of cars on the road.

But, I don't think the fuel efficiency would make that big of difference. In the class of cars I look at the fuel efficiency is better by less than 20% in the last 15 years (i20 1.6 vs 1.6 Corolla GLE). I don't think the fuel efficiency will get much better either. The Prius isn't even that fuel efficient.
 
There are more vehicles on the road every single year. The number of new vehicles far outweigh the number of new hybrids. The people who buy electric or hybrids are taxed to death on batteries and taxes anyway, so it probably balances out nicely.
 
Government determined to make AARTO work: RTIA

It was not an option to scrap the controversial Administrative Adjudication of Road Traffic Offences Act (AARTO), traffic authorities told Beeld newspaper in a report on Monday.

"The proposal to scrap AARTO is not a consideration. It is the government's duty to enforce laws and protect citizens' lives," said Road Traffic Infringement Agency spokesman Mthunzi Mbungwana.

He was responding to calls by opposition parties and several road traffic safety organisations on government to scrap the system plagued by administrative problems.

According to a report handed to Transport Minister Dipuo Peters earlier this year, Aarto fines amounting to R2 billion had not been collected during the past two financial years.

Aarto, which stipulates that penalty points should be imposed for certain offences and that motorists who repeatedly incur traffic violations should have their licences suspended, has thus far only been partially introduced in Johannesburg and Tshwane.


Source : Sapa /pk/fg/jje
Date : 02 Sep 2013 08:28
 
phoneJunky said:
Let me play devils advocate - Fuel sales are up, but I would think with the drive for fuel efficiency that the multiple that the sales are up with is less than the multiple of cars on the road.

But, I don't think the fuel efficiency would make that big of difference. In the class of cars I look at the fuel efficiency is better by less than 20% in the last 15 years (i20 1.6 vs 1.6 Corolla GLE). I don't think the fuel efficiency will get much better either. The Prius isn't even that fuel efficient.
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The fuel levy has increased far more than fuel consumption has decreased.
Not to mention this extra carbon tax **** they've put on new cars.
 
Sinbad said:
The fuel levy has increased far more than fuel consumption has decreased.
Not to mention this extra carbon tax **** they've put on new cars.
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http://www.raf.co.za/about-us/pages/fuel-levy.aspx

From there:

2008 to 2012 the fuel levy increased by 8.5%. Inflation was about 6.5% So it only increase 2% above inflation. So after 4 years the fuel levy is 7.7% above what it would be if it had increase with inflation. So I won't say the levy increased far more than fuel consumption decreased.

I don't know what the real number is on the fuel efficiency, but I would guess the bigger truck etc has gotten much more efficient.
 
phoneJunky said:
http://www.raf.co.za/about-us/pages/fuel-levy.aspx

From there:

2008 to 2012 the fuel levy increased by 8.5%. Inflation was about 6.5% So it only increase 2% above inflation. So after 4 years the fuel levy is 7.7% above what it would be if it had increase with inflation. So I won't say the levy increased far more than fuel consumption decreased.

I don't know what the real number is on the fuel efficiency, but I would guess the bigger truck etc has gotten much more efficient.
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OK, then compare fuel SALES for that period, and revenue generated.

No way it has not increased dramatically, far more than any consumption related savings - especially in only 4 years.
 
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