[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Apartheid was also legal, it didn't make it right though.

Were you a better person if you just accepted Apartheid as it was, or if you fought against the system? The same goes for e-tolls.
 
Cowards erected e-tolls billboards - Peters

The billboards erected along Johannesburg's highways next to e-toll gantries are the work of cowards, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters said on Monday.

"[These are] people who don't have the decency to actually acknowledge what the ANC government has delivered in this country," she said at The New Age's business breakfast in Midrand.

"[They] want to focus on one aspect and turn an important infrastructure of the economic hub of South Africa...into a gimmick."

The DA commissioned the billboards, visible along the N3 and N1 highways, and which poke fun at the African National Congress and its role in the electronic tolling saga.

The message on them reads: "E-tolls. Proudly brought to you by the ANC."

The DA said on Sunday that it had commissioned the billboards.

"E-tolls were conceived under the watch of an ANC minister, supported by an ANC executive in Gauteng, passed into law by an ANC majority Parliament and signed, sealed and delivered by an ANC president," the Democratic AIliance's Gauteng premier candidate Mmusi Maimane said.

Peters said people who did this did not have a place in South Africa.

"We really don't have time for such people," she said.

Earlier, Peters said e-tolling in Gauteng would probably be implemented by the end of the year.

"Last week we finalised the regulations and this week we will be dealing with the tariff structure and starting the process to...publicise the tariff structure."

The tariffs would be publicised for 30 days.

"After 30 days I'm sure it will take seven to 14 days to get the ball rolling," she said.

The Supreme Court of Appeal reserved judgment late last month on a legal challenge to e-tolls by lobby group Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance.

Peters attributed the system's high cost to the technology being used.

"It's imported and we have to pay for it. Just like your cellphone, just like any other technology that we use," she said.

"As a transport sector we'd be very happy to say give us all the money that the government has and reduce the money for schools, reduce the money for building other social infrastructure, reduce the money for pensions for the aged, reduce the money for feeding children in schools. Is that what South Africans want?"

She said the objective of the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project was to decongest road networks. If people did not want to pay they could use alternative routes.

"We have also created alternative routes to make sure that those who are unable to get onto the freeway, those who don't want to get onto the freeway, those who don't want to pay, can use the alternative routes."

Peters ruled out the suggestion that the fuel levy be increased to pay for the system, arguing it would be unfair for the rest of the country to pay for Gauteng's roads.

"Somebody who is in Mbizana, who does not even have a road to get to school, must pay for the Gauteng freeways...Do we want to exacerbate the inequalities in the country?" she asked.
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Durrr. :rolleyes:
 
Peters said people who did this did not have a place in South Africa.

"We really don't have time for such people," she said.
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Yeah... keep up the hateful and racist rhetoric. They are South Africans just as much as you are (I assume you are a legal South African) Peters. They have as much a right to be here as you do (I assume you are a legal South African).

Just because you don't agree with their view points doesn't give you the right to say that they are no longer welcome in this country.
 
Garyvdh said:
Ali said 83 percent of people would only be paying R100 a month for e-tolling and others had been exaggerating the numbers.

"Less than one percent of people will actually reach that R450 [maximum] a month."
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Did DJ make calculations proving this statement wrong ?
 
Peters said people who did this did not have a place in South Africa.
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Wyzak said:
Yeah... keep up the hateful and racist rhetoric. They are South Africans just as much as you are (I assume you are a legal South African) Peters. They have as much a right to be here as you do (I assume you are a legal South African).

Just because you don't agree with their view points doesn't give you the right to say that they are no longer welcome in this country.
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Amazing the crap they can spew when they can't they get knocked...
 
"Somebody who is in Mbizana, who does not even have a road to get to school, must pay for the Gauteng freeways...Do we want to exacerbate the inequalities in the country?" she asked.
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If you have no road you most certainly aren't contributing to any fuel levy.

And the good folk in Mbizana are more than welcome to have their tax contributions used to provide for whatsoever social services they require without anything from the rest of us.
 
Do we want to exacerbate the inequalities in the country?
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Well E-tolling is gonna do that for millions of people in Gauteng.... so never mind the poor person in Mbizina (who probably doesn't own a car anyway).
 
Garyvdh said:
Well E-tolling is gonna do that for millions of people in Gauteng.... so never mind the poor person in Mbizina (who probably doesn't own a car anyway).
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Hey, the ANC are just keeping to promises of narrowing the gap between the poor and the [-]rich[/-] middle class. If you can't raise the poor, lower the bar for everyone (they got this idea from the education department)
 
Serious question - how do I get to OR Tambo airport from Centurion, without using etoll roads?
 
Gaz{M} said:
Serious question - how do I get to OR Tambo airport from Centurion, without using etoll roads?
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Every single piece of airfreight into and out of JNB now goes via an etoll route.
 
Registered users billed for e-toll

http://www.looklocal.co.za/lookloca...id=1171113&Registered-users-billed-for-e-toll

DA in Gauteng says e-tolling in Gauteng is nowhere near from being implemented considering there is problem with Sanrals billing system.
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Reports from the Citizen revealed that although Sanral has not started charging for e-tolls, its billing system has started sending out statements showing that registered prepaid users have outstanding amounts on their accounts.
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SANRAL eToll errors, again

http://citizen.co.za/62239/etolls-bill-jgn/

The SA Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) has not started charging for e-tolls yet, but its billing system is sending out statements showing that registered prepaid users have outstanding amounts on their accounts.

While the agency yesterday tried to downplay the incorrect statements, consumers might find themselves surprised by an outstanding amount which must be settled withing “7 days from time of transaction”.
The agency said there “is a known error on the Pre-paid account notifications that do not display the credit amounts with the (-) in front of the credits in the age analysis table. Sanral’s Operator is working on correcting the error.”
However, the statements only show a total outstanding amount with the both the credit and debit columns remaining empty.
“As previously communicated to account holders, the e-toll system is running in a live test environment and creating test transactions, when driving beneath a toll gantry, but all transactions are allocated against a 100% discount,” Sanral’s press office said yesterday.
A citizen journalist recently received a statement showing R100 outstanding. She had purchased two e-tags and received R50 in credit for each device.
Justice Project SA national chairman Howard Dembovsky said one can see that the reporter’s credit became a debit on her latest statement since the age analysis on the statement clearly states the total outstanding amount is R100.
“If this kind of ‘accounting error’ can creep in now, before e-tolls have been implemented, who can truthfully say that it will not do so after their implementation?” Dembovsky asked.
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Ready to go live my ass.
 
Garyvdh said:
Reports from the Citizen revealed that although Sanral has not started charging for e-tolls, its billing system has started sending out statements showing that registered prepaid users have outstanding amounts on their accounts.
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This is exactly why I will not sign up for e-tolling.
If SANRAL/ETC can't even bill correctly when the system is offline can you imagine all the bogus bills and disputes when the system actually goes live?
 
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