[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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evilstebunny said:
Equally aburd is the notion that the populace should just grin & bear the tyranny of governments. History is littered with examples of instances where people rise up against unjust governments and unpopular laws, our own recent history a perfect example. Civil disobedience is propably the most peaceful and least disruptive method of accomplishing that.

He also confuses legal grounds with moral grounds, does he seriously expect us to just look the other way while elected officials misspend and outright steal our collective funds through their incompetence and corruption? The law is supposed to protect us from that, not prevent us from demanding justice and fair treatment from the people who's supposed to look after our interests. E-tolling laws may have passed constitutional muster in the way they were implemented, but that does not make the decisions taken morally right.

When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty - Thomas Jefferson
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I don't think they've ever actually been tested against the Constitution.
 
they have not. That is the court date the DA is waiting for. But the ANC has decided to push through, knowing this will be coming.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
I don't think they've ever actually been tested against the Constitution.
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No need to. Pierre de Vos says it's fine.

I am sincerely baffled that some people - people who are clearly not completely vegetative - seek to rise to government's defence on this issue. The gist of it, in my view, is that it is clear enough that the entire project is rooted in corruption-tainted poor decision-making. Whether subsequent elements thereof might be technically lawful is moot. This entire project deserves a deep inquest into every detail, from the very first proposal.
 
Pierre de Vos is a law expert who, from what I can tell, has never actually worked as a lawyer.
 
Also the initial cost was astronomical compared to similar projects done elsewhere in the world by the Belgians. What they charged us for gantries was massively more than those in other countries. It is so obviously filthy and yet we must shut up and pay for their corruption! Never. Pierre de Vos can go fly a kite along with every person responsible for this debacle. Yes the roads are pretty, but they cost too much and should be paid for out of an existing revenue stream. We do not need additional forms of taxation right now.

And I will say it again. Those highways are the lifeblood of the Gauteng and hence the SA economy. If they toll those roads it will tip this country into recession. Idiots.
 
115 pages, so excuse me if this has already been posted. I have come up with a theoretical method of blocking the cameras from taking a picture of your plate, but just not sure whether this application is illegal or viable. To outright cover the plate is illegal. So, taking into account the (narrow) angle that the cameras are positioned (overhead) and are able to take a picture from, does anyone know of a way to mount a thin perspex frame around the license plate, and then have a non clear layer (similar to frosted glass) protruding out on the top similar to a baseball cap? The colourless plastic should make it difficult for casual observers to spot (i.e. police) and does not obstruct the plate when viewed head-on/level, but however should perfectly obstruct the license plate in the photograph, when the plate is viewed overhead.

So what do you think?
 
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Mystic Twilight said:
115 pages, so excuse me if this has already been posted. I have come up with a theoretical method of blocking the cameras from taking a picture of your plate, but just not sure whether this application is illegal or viable. To outright cover the plate is illegal. So, taking into account the (narrow) angle that the cameras are positioned (overhead) and are able to take a picture from, does anyone know of a way to mount a thin perspex frame around the license plate, and then have a non clear layer (similar to frosted glass) protruding out on the top similar to a baseball cap? The colourless plastic should make it difficult for casual observers to spot (i.e. police) and does not obstruct the plate when viewed head-on/level, but however should perfectly obstruct the license plate in the photograph.

So what do you think?
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What happens when you stick your hand out the side window, going even 1/2 of 'free'way speeds? You'd need to attach your plate to the car's chassis with roll bolts. :D

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Of course, being less facetious, you could vent your peak cap's extension. But it'd be a terribly obvious way to get fined.
 
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Mystic Twilight said:
115 pages, so excuse me if this has already been posted. I have come up with a theoretical method of blocking the cameras from taking a picture of your plate, but just not sure whether this application is illegal or viable.<snip>
So what do you think?
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AARTO Charge Codes.
Charge code 1217
Vehicle whereon appeared within 150 mm of the licence number anything which was not a component part of the standard equipment or construction of that vehicle - Reg. 35(6)(c)(ii) = R250
 
Paul_S said:
AARTO Charge Codes.
Charge code 1217
Vehicle whereon appeared within 150 mm of the licence number anything which was not a component part of the standard equipment or construction of that vehicle - Reg. 35(6)(c)(ii) = R250
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Still cheaper than etolls.
 
Garyvdh said:
Remember people it starts from the 3rd of December so hurry and get your E-tag.
People have been standing in this long line from this morning hahahahahaha ‪#‎fail‬

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My local e-toll outlet is looking even better! etoll.jpg

IzZzy said:
Semantics is the reason I earn money :D
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Nothing to be proud of, if that is you how go about doing it.

CR34M3 said:
As such, “civil disobedience” is probably not the best description of what’s being called for. Something like ‘civil stubbornness’ is more apt I think.
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A proper description is Satyagraha - civil resistance.

Wyzak said:
I wonder how Pierre de Vos felt about the Apartheid era laws which were also validly passed laws.

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." Thomas Jefferson.

I will probably end up paying in the end, but I'll make them sweat for every cent.
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In this instance, paying does not equate disobeying IMO.

Paying = obedience
 
blunomore said:
In this instance, paying does not equate disobeying IMO.

Paying = obedience
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Obedience = getting an e-tag, breaking the law = refusing to pay, making the system unworkable - within the law but not fully obedient. I also said "probably".
 
gahutyda.jpg
a friend made this for me.
 
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