True, didnt see that - I think I just saw red
But to even consider recommending him, is just plain dumb!!!
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McBride recommended as Ipid boss
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True, didnt see that - I think I just saw red
But to even consider recommending him, is just plain dumb!!!
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True, didnt see that - I think I just saw red
But to even consider recommending him, is just plain dumb!!!
Recommendation comes with the support of the Cabinet...
grok
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Typical ANC, but shows you exactly what low standards they have .. if any.
Africa is such a joke.
Africa is such a joke.
Mila
Honorary Master
There are 0,no, nothing good people in SA to fill this role.
And they want to brag about things they have made better since 1994, what not one person better than Macbribe? they could not produce one person better than macbribe since 1994. Shame.
And they want to brag about things they have made better since 1994, what not one person better than Macbribe? they could not produce one person better than macbribe since 1994. Shame.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
McBride recommendation attacked
Opposition parties have criticised a decision to recommend former Ekurhuleni metro police chief Robert McBride as head of the Independent Police Investigative Directorate (Ipid).
The Democratic Alliance would "vehemently" oppose the appointment in Parliament, MP Dianne Kohler Barnard said on Tuesday.
"Ipid is responsible for investigating police officials in positions of authority and deals with sensitive information on a daily basis, thus the executive director must be a person free of scandal."
Lobby group AfriForum said Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa should resign for nominating McBride.
"Minister Mthethwa, with this step, clearly indicated that the efficacy and integrity of the police is not a priority for him," said spokesman Ian Cameron.
The Freedom Front Plus said the recommendation made a "farce and mockery" of Mthethwa's comments that he would eradicate corruption in the police.
"Ipid investigates corruption in the police and the head of this institution should not be a controversial person and should have an irreproachable character," spokesman Pieter Groenewald said.
Christian Democratic Party leader Theunis Botha said the recommendation was "a serious challenge for being the sickest joke of the millennium".
"This makes a mockery of all the ANC promises that the policy of cadre deployment will be based on merit."
Mthethwa said earlier that Cabinet decided at a meeting on Wednesday to recommend McBride as Ipid executive director.
"We believe Mr McBride's appointment as head of Ipid will help this important institution to achieve [its]... mandate," Mthethwa said in a statement.
He said McBride was the successful candidate following shortlisting, an interview process, and Cabinet's endorsement.
"However, in line with the Ipid Act, the appointment can only be finalised once Parliament has concurred."
Kohler Barnard said Mthethwa had requested that the portfolio committee on police consider McBride's nomination in a letter published in Parliament's announcements, tablings and committees on Tuesday morning.
"According to the Ipid Act, the nomination must be considered within 30 parliamentary days."
She said the Ipid should not be led by "such a controversial figure".
"The executive director must be suitably qualified for the position, not have previous convictions, and be a person of integrity."
Cameron said Mthethwa's decision had jeopardised the integrity of the police.
"McBride had been previously arrested for arms smuggling, drunk driving and defeating the ends of justice. Now he must investigate and control corruption and malpractice in the police...," he said.
Groenewald said Mthethwa was violating the public's trust with the recommendation.
"McBride is extremely controversial and definitely not suitable for the position. The public should be able to trust the head of the Ipid because a lot of complaints are against the [SA Police Service]."
Botha said Mthethwa should be fired.
"Surely, no other minister is as determined to destroy his or her department," he said.
"If President [Jacob] Zuma does not now fire this bungling minister, the ANC should not be surprised when the world likens the Cabinet to a bunch of clowns."
McBride, who is a former MP and government official, won an appeal in March against a conviction of drunken driving and attempting to obstruct justice. He was arrested in 2006 after crashing his official car on the R511 following a Christmas party.
In September 2011, a Pretoria magistrate sentenced McBride to two years imprisonment for driving under the influence of alcohol and in effect three years' imprisonment for attempting to obstruct the course of justice.
In 1998, McBride was arrested in Mozambique on charges of gun-running. He spent seven months in a Maputo prison and was later cleared of all charges.
He claimed he was investigating illegal gun-running with the National Intelligence Agency.
In 1999, McBride faced an assault charge after he, underworld boss Cyril Beeka, and another man visited an escort agency and allegedly assaulted an employee.
McBride was part of an Umkhonto we Sizwe group that bombed the Why Not Restaurant and Magoo's Bar in Durban on June 14, 1986. Three people were killed and 69 were injured in the explosion. He was captured and convicted, and sentenced to death.
In 1992, he was released after his actions were classified as politically motivated. He was later granted amnesty at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
Source : Sapa /aa/hdw/cls/jje
Date : 12 Nov 2013 14:32
Opposition parties have criticised a decision to recommend former Ekurhuleni metro police chief Robert McBride as head of the Independent Police Investigative Directorate (Ipid).
The Democratic Alliance would "vehemently" oppose the appointment in Parliament, MP Dianne Kohler Barnard said on Tuesday.
"Ipid is responsible for investigating police officials in positions of authority and deals with sensitive information on a daily basis, thus the executive director must be a person free of scandal."
Lobby group AfriForum said Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa should resign for nominating McBride.
"Minister Mthethwa, with this step, clearly indicated that the efficacy and integrity of the police is not a priority for him," said spokesman Ian Cameron.
The Freedom Front Plus said the recommendation made a "farce and mockery" of Mthethwa's comments that he would eradicate corruption in the police.
"Ipid investigates corruption in the police and the head of this institution should not be a controversial person and should have an irreproachable character," spokesman Pieter Groenewald said.
Christian Democratic Party leader Theunis Botha said the recommendation was "a serious challenge for being the sickest joke of the millennium".
"This makes a mockery of all the ANC promises that the policy of cadre deployment will be based on merit."
Mthethwa said earlier that Cabinet decided at a meeting on Wednesday to recommend McBride as Ipid executive director.
"We believe Mr McBride's appointment as head of Ipid will help this important institution to achieve [its]... mandate," Mthethwa said in a statement.
He said McBride was the successful candidate following shortlisting, an interview process, and Cabinet's endorsement.
"However, in line with the Ipid Act, the appointment can only be finalised once Parliament has concurred."
Kohler Barnard said Mthethwa had requested that the portfolio committee on police consider McBride's nomination in a letter published in Parliament's announcements, tablings and committees on Tuesday morning.
"According to the Ipid Act, the nomination must be considered within 30 parliamentary days."
She said the Ipid should not be led by "such a controversial figure".
"The executive director must be suitably qualified for the position, not have previous convictions, and be a person of integrity."
Cameron said Mthethwa's decision had jeopardised the integrity of the police.
"McBride had been previously arrested for arms smuggling, drunk driving and defeating the ends of justice. Now he must investigate and control corruption and malpractice in the police...," he said.
Groenewald said Mthethwa was violating the public's trust with the recommendation.
"McBride is extremely controversial and definitely not suitable for the position. The public should be able to trust the head of the Ipid because a lot of complaints are against the [SA Police Service]."
Botha said Mthethwa should be fired.
"Surely, no other minister is as determined to destroy his or her department," he said.
"If President [Jacob] Zuma does not now fire this bungling minister, the ANC should not be surprised when the world likens the Cabinet to a bunch of clowns."
McBride, who is a former MP and government official, won an appeal in March against a conviction of drunken driving and attempting to obstruct justice. He was arrested in 2006 after crashing his official car on the R511 following a Christmas party.
In September 2011, a Pretoria magistrate sentenced McBride to two years imprisonment for driving under the influence of alcohol and in effect three years' imprisonment for attempting to obstruct the course of justice.
In 1998, McBride was arrested in Mozambique on charges of gun-running. He spent seven months in a Maputo prison and was later cleared of all charges.
He claimed he was investigating illegal gun-running with the National Intelligence Agency.
In 1999, McBride faced an assault charge after he, underworld boss Cyril Beeka, and another man visited an escort agency and allegedly assaulted an employee.
McBride was part of an Umkhonto we Sizwe group that bombed the Why Not Restaurant and Magoo's Bar in Durban on June 14, 1986. Three people were killed and 69 were injured in the explosion. He was captured and convicted, and sentenced to death.
In 1992, he was released after his actions were classified as politically motivated. He was later granted amnesty at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
Source : Sapa /aa/hdw/cls/jje
Date : 12 Nov 2013 14:32
Some more reading matter on this "candidate". Needs updating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McBride_(police_officer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McBride_(police_officer)
Mike Hoxbig
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I honestly think they're testing the waters to determine the limit of what they can get away with...
blunomore
Honorary Master
I think by now they know very well what they can get away with.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Agree, and that's almost anything, it would seem :wtf:
bekdik
Honorary Master
Being cleared of all charges is an anc perk
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
Just shows you how serious the cANCer takes police corruption.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
McBride likely to be appointed : Analyst
The odds are that former Ekurhuleni metro police chief Robert McBride will head the Independent Police Investigative Directorate (Ipid), an analyst said on Tuesday.
Johan Burger, a senior researcher at the Institute for Security Studies, said the recommendation of McBride for the position would be considered by Parliament's portfolio committee on police within 30 days.
"Looking at the composition of the portfolio committee, the majority are ANC members. Clearly this is an ANC nomination and Cabinet has already approved [the appointment]," he said.
"It will depend how the decision is taken on the appointment, but if it goes to a vote, I don't see that the vote will be against him."
Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa said on Tuesday that Cabinet decided at a meeting on Wednesday to recommend McBride as Ipid's executive director.
He said McBride was the successful candidate following shortlisting, an interview process, and Cabinet's endorsement.
"However, in line with the Ipid Act, the appointment can only be finalised once Parliament has concurred," Mthethwa said.
Opposition parties criticised the recommendation. The Democratic Alliance and Inkatha Freedom Party said they would oppose the appointment in Parliament.
Burger said he was certain the recommendation would be challenged.
"I am certain they [the portfolio committee] would allow individuals and organisations to make representations about the nomination, but I am not certain how they will do this."
Burger said McBride was a controversial figure. He said according to the Ipid Act the executive director should be suitably qualified.
"It [the act] does not tell us what this means. Does this mean that the person should have experience or qualifications, or is it about the person's character? We don't know," Burger said.
"The Ipid is an independent body that should be independent from possible political pressures in the sense that the person who heads it doesn't have baggage that might create suspicions about his or her integrity."
He said the central question in the debate on McBride's appointment was whether he was a suitable candidate.
McBride, who is a former MP and government official, won an appeal in March against a conviction for drunken driving and attempting to obstruct justice. He was arrested in 2006 after crashing his official car on the R511 following a Christmas party.
In September 2011, a Pretoria magistrate sentenced McBride to two years' imprisonment for driving under the influence of alcohol and to in effect three years' imprisonment for attempting to obstruct the course of justice.
In 1998, McBride was arrested in Mozambique on charges of gun-running. He spent seven months in a Maputo prison and was later cleared of all charges. He claimed he was investigating illegal gun-running with the National Intelligence Agency.
In 1999, McBride faced an assault charge after he, underworld boss Cyril Beeka, and another man visited an escort agency and allegedly assaulted an employee.
McBride was part of an Umkhonto we Sizwe group that bombed the Why Not Restaurant and Magoo's Bar in Durban on June 14, 1986. Three people were killed and 69 were injured in the explosion. He was captured and convicted, and sentenced to death.
In 1992, he was released after his actions were classified as politically motivated. He was later granted amnesty at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
Burger said McBride would likely respond that all the incidents in his immediate past were mere allegations and that he had been cleared of all charges.
"It doesn't [however] remove doubts that people will have in his suitability, integrity and his ability to objectively perform in this position," he said.
"In terms of qualifications, we know he has a degree in policing. So in terms of qualifications, he would meet the requirements. It should also be kept in mind that he was the head of a police agency."
Mthethwa said in a statement that McBride held a Bachelor of Arts in international politics from the University of SA, a Bachelor of Technology in policing, with honours, from Tshwane University of Technology, and a diploma in foreign relations from the Institute of Diplomacy and Foreign Relations in Kuala Lumpur.
Source : Sapa /aa/fg/th/cls
Date : 12 Nov 2013 16:42
The odds are that former Ekurhuleni metro police chief Robert McBride will head the Independent Police Investigative Directorate (Ipid), an analyst said on Tuesday.
Johan Burger, a senior researcher at the Institute for Security Studies, said the recommendation of McBride for the position would be considered by Parliament's portfolio committee on police within 30 days.
"Looking at the composition of the portfolio committee, the majority are ANC members. Clearly this is an ANC nomination and Cabinet has already approved [the appointment]," he said.
"It will depend how the decision is taken on the appointment, but if it goes to a vote, I don't see that the vote will be against him."
Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa said on Tuesday that Cabinet decided at a meeting on Wednesday to recommend McBride as Ipid's executive director.
He said McBride was the successful candidate following shortlisting, an interview process, and Cabinet's endorsement.
"However, in line with the Ipid Act, the appointment can only be finalised once Parliament has concurred," Mthethwa said.
Opposition parties criticised the recommendation. The Democratic Alliance and Inkatha Freedom Party said they would oppose the appointment in Parliament.
Burger said he was certain the recommendation would be challenged.
"I am certain they [the portfolio committee] would allow individuals and organisations to make representations about the nomination, but I am not certain how they will do this."
Burger said McBride was a controversial figure. He said according to the Ipid Act the executive director should be suitably qualified.
"It [the act] does not tell us what this means. Does this mean that the person should have experience or qualifications, or is it about the person's character? We don't know," Burger said.
"The Ipid is an independent body that should be independent from possible political pressures in the sense that the person who heads it doesn't have baggage that might create suspicions about his or her integrity."
He said the central question in the debate on McBride's appointment was whether he was a suitable candidate.
McBride, who is a former MP and government official, won an appeal in March against a conviction for drunken driving and attempting to obstruct justice. He was arrested in 2006 after crashing his official car on the R511 following a Christmas party.
In September 2011, a Pretoria magistrate sentenced McBride to two years' imprisonment for driving under the influence of alcohol and to in effect three years' imprisonment for attempting to obstruct the course of justice.
In 1998, McBride was arrested in Mozambique on charges of gun-running. He spent seven months in a Maputo prison and was later cleared of all charges. He claimed he was investigating illegal gun-running with the National Intelligence Agency.
In 1999, McBride faced an assault charge after he, underworld boss Cyril Beeka, and another man visited an escort agency and allegedly assaulted an employee.
McBride was part of an Umkhonto we Sizwe group that bombed the Why Not Restaurant and Magoo's Bar in Durban on June 14, 1986. Three people were killed and 69 were injured in the explosion. He was captured and convicted, and sentenced to death.
In 1992, he was released after his actions were classified as politically motivated. He was later granted amnesty at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
Burger said McBride would likely respond that all the incidents in his immediate past were mere allegations and that he had been cleared of all charges.
"It doesn't [however] remove doubts that people will have in his suitability, integrity and his ability to objectively perform in this position," he said.
"In terms of qualifications, we know he has a degree in policing. So in terms of qualifications, he would meet the requirements. It should also be kept in mind that he was the head of a police agency."
Mthethwa said in a statement that McBride held a Bachelor of Arts in international politics from the University of SA, a Bachelor of Technology in policing, with honours, from Tshwane University of Technology, and a diploma in foreign relations from the Institute of Diplomacy and Foreign Relations in Kuala Lumpur.
Source : Sapa /aa/fg/th/cls
Date : 12 Nov 2013 16:42
daveza
Honorary Master
http://ictj.org/news/amnesty-does-not-erase-truth
So we can rightly say a murderer is a candidate for the post.
So we can rightly say a murderer is a candidate for the post.
Correct.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
And was recommended by a senior Cabinet minister, and then endorsed by the rest of the Cabinet.
Mila
Honorary Master
How the hell do we have this farked up cabinet/ government. They can't tell me that there was nobody suitable for the job?
Bloody hell!
Bloody hell!
Got to hope that cANCer is just trolling us all. This chap has to be the least independent of anyone on the list of possibles. If he gets the post, it will prove once again how corrupt the echelon of government truly are.
