McLaren team orders

tibby.dude said:
But if you ain't white then you are ..... ????.
Also "Coloured" is an apartheid definition and besides he is from the UK and not S.A.

Get your definitions right.
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Ok, Ok Tibby - if you're not Coloured or black, can we call you brown? Please help us all here and give us some suggestions... maybe you don't like being called by colour - how can we generalize when referring to your race... should we (shock) just call you South African? At least help us out a bit... Have you stopped to think that Hamilton might not like being called black cos the many narrow minded people out there might think he's pulling the "world is against me" card? Oh, I forgot, you think the world is against him cos he's black.
 
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Mclaren should receive the penalty..

Ron CLEARLY said that they decided ALONSO should win.

So even if HAMILTON would set the fastest lap time , and push ALO the whole race , it would be a waste because he "wasn't allowed" to win.

IF H is faster than A , but A is selected for position 1 , how can H get 1.
not possible!

race rigged.
 
Ah tibby.dude ! tell me is there anything that can be discussed without you bringing race into it !!! Its got sweet f.ck all to do with race its about money !!!
 
[OUPA]MrNutz;1060577 said:
Mclaren should receive the penalty..

Ron CLEARLY said that they decided ALONSO should win.

So even if HAMILTON would set the fastest lap time , and push ALO the whole race , it would be a waste because he "wasn't allowed" to win.

IF H is faster than A , but A is selected for position 1 , how can H get 1.
not possible!

race rigged.
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Yeah, I agree, even though I am a Maclaren supporter. They should set a precident with this ruling. It wasn't quite the same as Rubinho pulling over for MS at the last straight some time back, but it's the same whatever you call it... it's just not racing...
 
web said:
Ah tibby.dude ! tell me is there anything that can be discussed without you bringing race into it !!! Its got sweet f.ck all to do with race its about money !!!
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Wouldn't it be funny if Hamilton misses the championship by 2 points at the end of the season... heh... let's not go there yet!
 
web said:
Its got sweet f.ck all to do with race its about money !!!
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Yip, why take a chance of having your cars take themselves out when trying to pass each other when you've got a definate first and second place. First and second place equals big money for the team.

I don't like Alonso and would have rather had Hamilton win but what Dennis did was the best I think. If this was any other race I believe he would have told them to go for it.

Monaco is not the place to have scraps at.
 
Toxin said:
Yip, why take a chance of having your cars take themselves out when trying to pass each other when you've got a definate first and second place. First and second place equals big money for the team.

I don't like Alonso and would have rather had Hamilton win but what Dennis did was the best I think. If this was any other race I believe he would have told them to go for it.

Monaco is not the place to have scraps at.
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think he's referring to tibby's comments that Hamilton was not allowed to challenge Alonso cos of racism.
 
Yeah

Toxin said:
Yip, why take a chance of having your cars take themselves out when trying to pass each other when you've got a definate first and second place. First and second place equals big money for the team.

I don't like Alonso and would have rather had Hamilton win but what Dennis did was the best I think. If this was any other race I believe he would have told them to go for it.

Monaco is not the place to have scraps at.
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I agree, but it's sad, isn't it? I don't see why they shouldn't just scrap monaco
 
derekc said:
think he's referring to tibby's comments that Hamilton was not allowed to challenge Alonso cos of racism.
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I know. He said it's because of the money. I'm agree with his statement by saying what I said.

The money they get from a one-two win justifies (in their eyes mind you) NOT taking a chance on a racecourse notorious for no overtaking and high speeds through narrow streets.

groundnut said:
I agree, but it's sad, isn't it? I don't see why they shouldn't just scrap monaco
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Weirdly enough, I actually like Monaco. :) Who ever wins pole basically wins the race at the end of the day. But I like it all the same. Don't know why. :confused:
 
Toxin said:
I know. He said it's because of the money. I'm agree with his statement by saying what I said.

The money they get from a one-two win justifies (in their eyes mind you) NOT taking a chance on a racecourse notorious for no overtaking and high speeds through narrow streets.



Weirdly enough, I actually like Monaco. :) Who ever wins pole basically wins the race at the end of the day. But I like it all the same. Don't know why. :confused:
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I hear you, its one of those very technical tracks... and winning pole doesn't guarantee you won't clip the wall. But it's not exactly side by side racing :D
 
True - Very beautiful scenery too... wouldn't mind actually going one day, I suspect the hotel bill will bankrupt me tho'
 
The full statement from the FIA
Wednesday, May 30th 2007, 13:42 GMT



Full statement from the FIA following the investigation of McLaren's one-two finish at the Monaco Grand Prix:

Having studied the radio traffic between Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (McLaren) and its drivers, together with the FIA observer's report and data from the team, it is clear that McLaren's actions during the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix were entirely legitimate and no further action is necessary.

The facts

1. A two-stop strategy is the optimum at Monaco unless the safety car is deployed, in which case one-stop can sometimes be better.

2. The safety car has been deployed during four of the past five Monaco Grands Prix.

3. Under current rules the choice between a one-stop and two-stop strategy must be made before the final qualifying period.

4. It is clear from FIA measurements taken after qualifying that McLaren fuelled Hamilton for five more laps than Alonso.

5. This allowed Hamilton the option of a one-stop strategy should the safety car have come out during his first stint.

6. The safety car was not deployed.

7. The McLaren was significantly faster at Monaco than any other car.

Background

The primary objective of any team is for one of their drivers to win. If this can be achieved they will try to ensure their other car finishes second.

With no safety car during Alonso's first stint, there was a small but finite risk that it would come out during the five laps before Hamilton had to refuel. This would have put him behind the field and at a significant disadvantage to any car on a full (as opposed to optional) one-stop strategy. The latter cars would be expected to refuel around lap 40 - ie after the safety car had pitted if it came out during Hamilton's extra laps.

For similar reasons Hamilton was called in early for his second pit stop, thus assuring his second place, with or without a safety car.

Had the car in front of Hamilton not been his teammate, McLaren might (probably would) have decided to risk the safety car and let Hamilton run for as long as his fuel load allowed in the hope that he would come out of the pits in the lead after one of his pit stops. There is, however, no obligation on them to take this risk in order to overtake their own car. Indeed it would be foolish to do so.

It is standard procedure for a team to tell its drivers to slow down when they have a substantial lead. This is in order to minimise the risk of technical or other problems. It is also standard practice and entirely reasonable to ask the drivers not to put each other at risk.

McLaren were able to pursue an optimum team strategy because they had a substantial advantage over all other cars. They did nothing which could be described as interfering with the race result.
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The FIA shows sense
 
he would be stupid to leave arguebly the best forumla 1 team this season

he just needs to chill, first year and he looks a world champ, i cant see it will be barrichelo shumi thing cause in all honesty barricelo never looked world class, the fact he drove such a superior car for so long and did not do much with it shows us that

i feel sorry for ferrari though, thought kimi would be going good but i guess not
 
GavinMannion said:
thankfully logic prevails...

Now I hear rumours of Hamilton leaving, if he does he is bloody ungrateful.
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web said:
Yip linked to Ferrari but the story seems to have disappeared now :confused:
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If he does than he'll probably end up like Kimi. Looking on as the team he used to drive for races away from him.

In Kimi's case it was understandable, he had bad luck through the season and McLaren sucked balls. Horrible reliability and (from their previous standards) a horrible car overall.

If Hamilton's pissed off then he needs to grow a pair. He's arguably on the best team/car of the season so far. To move now would be suicide.
 
GavinMannion said:
thankfully logic prevails...

Now I hear rumours of Hamilton leaving, if he does he is bloody ungrateful.
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Yeah, he's been with McLaren for some time I hear... Another real issue with the MacLaren team orders for Hamilton tho' is the fact that he was until then, unbeaten in Monaco
I can understand his motivation for winning his first race in an F1 vehicle there... Must have been frustrating since he was .8 seconds behind Alonso at the time... it would have just added to his records. Imagine a rookie breaking records that even MS couldn't if he tried :D
 
Toxin said:
In Kimi's case it was understandable, he had bad luck through the season and McLaren sucked balls. Horrible reliability and (from their previous standards) a horrible car overall.
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Probably has a lot more to do with the fact that kimi does not get involved in getting the car right. He comes in drives and goes.
 
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