MDMA

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according to wikipedia MDMA is less harmful than ciggies and alcohol...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:R..._(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence).svg

i recently got a documentary on the effects of a whole bunch of drugs, E was pretty low on the damage compared to alcohol and harder drugs...

lol...about 3-4 years ago it was like R50 for a red heart and that stuff was awesome!!! Now it costs R100 + you don't know if it will even work.Looks like the cops are doing a good job on cracking down on the smuggling im guessing.

Indeed, there is nothing but garbage now, and at R100 its expensive....everything is now a disco buscuit or original hearts etc.....I lol, back in the day an original heart/mitsubishi used to be enough for the night, and be like R30....double dropping was just insane, now days u dont get anything half that off 3-4....
If i was still a user, i might be pissed off, but the comedowns eventually got too much for me and it just wasnt worth it anymore...

 

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Indeed. You're not exactly going to get repeat business if you poison your customers.

alot of ppl actually dont get this, when ppl ask me about it, i always say find a "trusted" guy who someone else uses....the chances are very very slim you get something dangerous, crap maybe, but not dangerous..
Its word of mouth business

 

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also +1

what did you guys do then after he developed a pericardial tamponade or did you just take him to the morgue? or did he just blindly stab it into his sternum/lung hilus/major blood vessels in the mediastinum? or was it a rerun of pulp fiction you saw? it is really the dumbest thing to do if you give adrenaline blindly for any kind of OD. total BS story since intracardiac adrenaline can F you up so badly in the wrong direction it is not even funny (and not even speaking of the concentration as adrenaline comes in 1ml vials 1:1000 - which is already a **** idea to give IV if no asystole is present).

EDIT: sorry to come off as a condescending prick, but I'm horrified at the thought of people stabbing each other with adrenaline into their hearts when they OD. if you want to do drugs to experiment - go ahead. If you want to start playing paramedic while high - kindly restrain yourself or the person doing it if they dont know what they're doing.

Another +1. LD50 dose of LSD is estimated to be around 12,000 micro grams. This means that 50% of the people that take 12 milli grams of LSD will die. Taking 25ml = suicide.

 

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Indeed. You're not exactly going to get repeat business if you poison your customers.

A lot of people have been brought up on the caricature of an illegal drug dealer as some cackling villain out to kill his customers. I don't think they typically give a damn about their customers, but there is no value in them deliberately killing their source of money either. Any cases of something nasty being used are more likely to have been ignorance or stupidity on the part of the dealer. And most likely what has happened is that a tiny number of incidents have been blown out of proportion by anti-drug fanatics. Something else that people forget is that your everyday businesses are not above taking similarly stupid and ignorant actions that endanger their customers.

Another myth is that dealers go around giving out free drugs to get people hooked.

Indeed, there is nothing but garbage now, and at R100 its expensive....everything is now a disco buscuit or original hearts etc.....I lol, back in the day an original heart/mitsubishi used to be enough for the night, and be like R30....double dropping was just insane, now days u dont get anything half that off 3-4....
If i was still a user, i might be pissed off, but the comedowns eventually got too much for me and it just wasnt worth it anymore...

I recall back in the 90s guys complaining that it typically cost R120-180, sometimes even over R200, and it was also hit and miss. It was also horrendously expensive in the UK. Various things can influence the price and potency. What might well be happening now is that the manufacturers have realised that methamphetamine is easier to produce and results in higher profits. And demand is shifting too.

 

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slightly taboo topic I would imagine, but I got into a very interesting discussion with a mate laste night regarding the usage of this drug, and how its becoming more and more accepted to be used in therapy sessions!?!?

MDMA was being used for therapy before it became illegal. I've met psychiatrists in South Africa who were using it to help patients, and I know the same was happening in the US and in Europe (Switzerland particularly). And before LSD became illegal in the 60s there was ongoing research into using it for therapy as well.

What grates my carrot is this research could have been done for the last 50 years or so but due to government meddling (mostly american) all studies on psychedelics relating to mind therapy were stopped, we could have been pretty far with this already.

Hopefully in time the science and some common sense will start to override the irrational, fanatical opposition to these drugs.

 

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I recall back in the 90s guys complaining that it typically cost R120-180, sometimes even over R200, and it was also hit and miss. It was also horrendously expensive in the UK. Various things can influence the price and potency. What might well be happening now is that the manufacturers have realised that methamphetamine is easier to produce and results in higher profits. And demand is shifting too.

It was definitely cheaper and alot better quality, and the UK was/is one of the cheapest places I have been to when it comes to E (and some other drugs too).... I agree with the demand shifting though, alot more ppl seem to be moving towards cat/coke...in fact, its all I see now when I go out.....and that is scary stuff...

 

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It was definitely cheaper and alot better quality, and the UK was/is one of the cheapest places I have been to when it comes to E (and some other drugs too).... I agree with the demand shifting though, alot more ppl seem to be moving towards cat/coke...in fact, its all I see now when I go out.....and that is scary stuff...

Yes, but it went through a cycle. The drug market is not immune to oversupply. Demand ramped up, producers got into the game, then there were too many which pushed prices down, and now it's popularity is declining. And at all times there have been fluctuations in quality. It did get very cheap in the UK, but it was also very expensive at one time too. What has probably happened is that it remains pretty trivial to smuggle it into the UK from the mainland, but why bring it to South Africa in quantity when demand is waning and methamphetamine can be made cheaper and sold for more per gram?