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Men are Screwed (rule 43)
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technofool
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Its not only feminists it is pretty much all of them. And my example just keeps on giving ...
"Lobby group South African Women Fight Back has called on the courts to show no mercy toward men"
"SA Women Fight Back’s Natalie Carter-Adams believes men accused of killing women and children shouldn't even be given an option to apply for bail" - Again they care most about men who kill women and less when women and children are killed by women. And even less when men are killed by men. The fact that men killing men is the majority of the killing leaves these women ice cold.
"We are speaking on behalf of [women] who were silenced forever. We would like to see a change in the justice system [to protect us]. The ailing justice system is failing our [women].” - Again half truth they really only care about women murdered by men.
Doesn't matter how many times you show the figures that it is men being more often killed they just ignore and continue to chant their half truths.
https://ewn.co.za/activists-want-bail-denied-to-men-who-kill-women
"Lobby group South African Women Fight Back has called on the courts to show no mercy toward men"
"SA Women Fight Back’s Natalie Carter-Adams believes men accused of killing women and children shouldn't even be given an option to apply for bail" - Again they care most about men who kill women and less when women and children are killed by women. And even less when men are killed by men. The fact that men killing men is the majority of the killing leaves these women ice cold.
"We are speaking on behalf of [women] who were silenced forever. We would like to see a change in the justice system [to protect us]. The ailing justice system is failing our [women].” - Again half truth they really only care about women murdered by men.
Doesn't matter how many times you show the figures that it is men being more often killed they just ignore and continue to chant their half truths.
https://ewn.co.za/activists-want-bail-denied-to-men-who-kill-women
Since you seem to know me so well, what exactly are my beliefs?
technofool
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This coming from a person who just said they had better things to spend their time on than educating me.
I don't pretend or care to know you at all, I merely comment on what you say. I play the ball not the man.
No man can know a woman's mind, she is enigmatic and alluring. Women should be loved and cherished not understood.
Without personal attack if you can show me where my facts or logic are "wrong" we will have something to progress on.
Personally I was brought up old school way thus find this thread funny as if I have a dependent spouse (where I chose for her to be this way, though this would be completely out of character for me) I’d expect i’d have to support her post split till she is able to do so herself. Similarly with kids I’d take on responsibility as that’s how I was brought up.
But I was also brought up to determine character and choose a spouse with good character and values which align with mine regardless of race/religion (funny how these nolonger guarantee a good match).. so there’s that.
So yah.. I’m old school and that as a result means lesser chance I get into these entanglements people here seem to be in. Besides the usual prenup, out of community of property etc which is basic common sense legal protection.
What worries me though is that people often use the abuse of funds they see elsewhere as an excuse to why they don’t support their kids etc. But what do I expect..this is the same forum populous who think going after gov and their fraud means it’s ok to be racist or paint every non-white person with the same brush of fraud/corruption/stupidity etc 
But I was also brought up to determine character and choose a spouse with good character and values which align with mine regardless of race/religion (funny how these nolonger guarantee a good match).. so there’s that.
So yah.. I’m old school and that as a result means lesser chance I get into these entanglements people here seem to be in. Besides the usual prenup, out of community of property etc which is basic common sense legal protection.
What worries me though is that people often use the abuse of funds they see elsewhere as an excuse to why they don’t support their kids etc. But what do I expect..this is the same forum populous who think going after gov and their fraud means it’s ok to be racist or paint every non-white person with the same brush of fraud/corruption/stupidity etc
The kicker is that if you're old school you'll also believe in traditional gender roles. If both of you believe in traditional roles there's less chance of marriage ending in divorce so such steps would usually not be necessary. In a way it's mostly women that have created the situation they are in where such support is necessary.
So you make a whole bunch of assumptions about me and then cannot back them up. Typical.
As for the bolded part, maybe you should stop reading the Cosmo. That is really the only place I see the **** you are sprouting. And maybe inspirational Instagram posts. Oh, and the incel forums on Reddit. A little less time spreading your bitterness over the internet and a little more working on yourself and maybe you will find someone who is worth the time.
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The problem is, you asked for sources to statement he (I'm assuming) made, and when provided, you completely ignore it and rather make personal insults. Even if your mind ins't changed, at least answer his question? It's a typical attitude I see with many forumites- completely ignore any responses that for whatever reason you either can't answer or doesn't fit your narrative. There are many others here who are guilty of this behaviour as well. And before you start insulting me, I'm simply pointing out what I see as a 3rd party to this whole discussion.
I never said men were not victims of abuse. I said that women were not perpetrators of violence at the same rate as men. There is a very big difference. I am not going to get into a long winded debate with a man who wants to come here and discredit the entire feminist movement and tell me how I should feel, how I think and what will make me happier. I know all the issues facing men, and we have discussed them countless times on these forums. I was actually quite outspoken about it, but when I come into this thread and see the misogyny in here, I am going to make fun of this ridiculousness.
I would love for all these men to tell us how much they are really paying to their wives in relation to their earnings, and if they are not in arrears. I have demonstrated that the law, as it is written, is fair in terms payment contributions. We have a long thread on MyBB where many fathers have said the maintenance courts are fair and they have had success there. If these men are feeling so unhappy, they should approach the courts and ask for a review. I am willing to bet they are just here bitching and moaning because they have to pay. There are always many sides to a story. And while I can imagine some women make their lives hell, there are many, many more fathers who are absent and don't give a penny.
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And therein lies the problem. @technofool provided at least some sources for a rebuttal that you completely ignored.
Either way, thank you for replying to my post.
Aquila ka Hecate
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Have you looked at those sources?
Quite apart from the fact that they're from an MRA organisation, they don't actually provide any reliable stats. All the links are pointing either to other MRA orgs, or a text list of studies done with no results, or the links are dead.
I disagree with Emjay on most things, but she has the right of this issue. Most of the complainants in this thread are so whiny and bitchy that I wonder if they'll ever find another decent human being to care for them.
Besides which, this technofool is clearly a reconstituted trolling account, if you look at his stats.
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I have yes- along with reading one or two articles on local domestic violence. The issue across the board seems to be one of under-reporting of abuse against men (among other things)- it would be difficult to provide actual numbers if this is the case, no? What I haven't read is anything to suggest that this is not the case, and that people claiming under-reporting of these crimes are simply wrong due to reasons X, Y or Z.
Funny how the same people often get "whiny and bitchy" as it was called when it's men assaulting woman (often going into overdrive when sex is involved) but blanketly condemn the same kind of response from people that talk about woman assaulting either men or other women.
And why are MRA organizations so low when WRA organizations are so high? Is that not utter hypocrisy?
And why are MRA organizations so low when WRA organizations are so high? Is that not utter hypocrisy?
Aquila ka Hecate
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I agree with you on the difficulty of data gathering on this issue. Domestic abuse of men still seems to carry a heavy stigma for the victim.
However, I think the topic was the sex of the perpetrators of DV, which is still more strongly male. (Many of those male victims will have been beaten by their male domestic partner).
Aquila ka Hecate
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As a child, did you ever half-seriously ask your parents why there was no Children's Day when there is a Mother's Day and a Father's Day?
technofool
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I can't hit LIKE enough times on this comment. Everybody can type a comment, some can even spell but few can actually hit the nail on the head HARD.
Zarnicate
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A few more examples in my friends case of men being screwed.
He was married out of community of property.
She still ended up with half his stuff even though as per prenup she should have not. Litigate to death until she got what she wanted. If role was reversed court wouldn't entertain it.
He is denied his visitation rights but when he goes as far, after multiple court cases over the same issue of visitation which he won, to get the police involved as she is in violation of a court order.
So that he can see his child what does she do, she lays a complaint against the police officers - bringing firearms into vicinity of the child even though they were holstered. Kicked up such a fuss.
Now guess what even if he phones the police they refuse to go to her house. Reverse this situation and cops would lock him up without blinking an eye.
Another one keeping the figures rounded for ease of math/understanding this obviously differs on case to case basis.
Ex works and thus is not entitled to maintenance this is for child only
Lets say school fees at public school is R1000pm
After school care is R1000pm
Medical Aid is R800pm
Room/Board R1000pm
Now a child does not need new clothes every single month. This also differs on age of child but lets say quite young then every season (Winter/Summer) they would need new clothes. R3000 per season thus R6000 for the year divided by 12 = R500pm for clothes
Probably missing a few extra expenses but this totals R4300pm (so before @Emjay has a fit lets make it R6000pm for some of the other stuff I have missed)
The child needs R6000 pm. Now lets say dad Earns R60k pm and mom R40kpm
In my books the father needs to pay R3600 and mother needs to pay R2400 that is fair.
In most cases what does the court do they grant the mother R10k in line with the fathers earning and not what the child needs, thus what does she pay, what is her portion? This is purely for the child so WTF is the rest used for....for herself not the child.
He was married out of community of property.
She still ended up with half his stuff even though as per prenup she should have not. Litigate to death until she got what she wanted. If role was reversed court wouldn't entertain it.
He is denied his visitation rights but when he goes as far, after multiple court cases over the same issue of visitation which he won, to get the police involved as she is in violation of a court order.
So that he can see his child what does she do, she lays a complaint against the police officers - bringing firearms into vicinity of the child even though they were holstered. Kicked up such a fuss.
Now guess what even if he phones the police they refuse to go to her house. Reverse this situation and cops would lock him up without blinking an eye.
Another one keeping the figures rounded for ease of math/understanding this obviously differs on case to case basis.
Ex works and thus is not entitled to maintenance this is for child only
Lets say school fees at public school is R1000pm
After school care is R1000pm
Medical Aid is R800pm
Room/Board R1000pm
Now a child does not need new clothes every single month. This also differs on age of child but lets say quite young then every season (Winter/Summer) they would need new clothes. R3000 per season thus R6000 for the year divided by 12 = R500pm for clothes
Probably missing a few extra expenses but this totals R4300pm (so before @Emjay has a fit lets make it R6000pm for some of the other stuff I have missed)
The child needs R6000 pm. Now lets say dad Earns R60k pm and mom R40kpm
In my books the father needs to pay R3600 and mother needs to pay R2400 that is fair.
In most cases what does the court do they grant the mother R10k in line with the fathers earning and not what the child needs, thus what does she pay, what is her portion? This is purely for the child so WTF is the rest used for....for herself not the child.
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