Men are violent, sneaky: UCT students

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Cape Town - Art and drama students at a UCT satellite campus in Cape Town on Wednesday shared their concerns with a large group of the institution's workers as they marched together from upper campus.

Student leader Masixole Mlandu said the point was to consolidate student and worker demands across all campuses and work together.

Campuses were shut down on Wednesday amid uncertainty about 2017 fee increases and other issues.

Around 150 students and workers marched from the main campus to the train station to get into central Cape Town. Police officers tried to stop large groups of students from marching out of the station to the campus in Gardens.

There was a heavy police presence at the campus entrance. Two cars, rubbish bins, tape and tables blocked it off. Three police vans, a Nyala, and around 20 public order police officers stood nearby.

Students were peaceful and quietly walked to a hall for the meeting.

Sexual offenders

Hiddingh campus students said they were prey to sexual offenders.

"There are men who are sneaky and violent toward women on campus," one woman said.

Most students had class at night and left campus in the early hours of the morning. They wanted the Jammie Shuttles to be on time so no one was a target.

"It is extremely unsafe and there is [criminal] stuff the university can't control."

They wanted more education on sexual violence and increased channels to report incidents.

With residences, they were unhappy that students had to wait 12 hours between meals on weekends. Those who could not afford residence had to "squat" with others.

For workers, it was about insourcing.

Mlandu said many were unhappy with wage agreements their unions had reached, which resulted in salaries of less than R10 000 a month. They wanted R12 500.

They felt they were cheated in the process.

“We are here to reconvene and resolve some of these issues."

Hiddingh students asked those from other campuses to stand with them because their campus was very small.

"We find we are being victimised by administrators and technical staff," a student said.

"When we tried to shut down on Friday, technical staff were very violent. Policemen came in two trucks. We are very vulnerable."

The group sang struggle songs and danced.

News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/men-are-violent-sneaky-uct-students-20160921
 
Yes, there are criminal elements the varsity can't control... You lot ffs!

The level of sheer fscking stupidity displaying by this lot does still somehow astound me.
 
Frikken liars! Res meals 12 hours apart on weekends? What bull****. That would only be the case if they chose the Breakfast & Dinner option.

On weekends meal times are 8-9:30 12-2 & 17:30 - 20:00

I love how they make themselves the victims when they are the ones trying to shut down the university.

I just can't comprehend the rationalisation of such warped logic.
 
All those iPhones and not a single recording of this supposed "victimization"

:erm:
 
The thread title, taken from the article, is totally misleading. The actual quote in the article was:
"There are men who are sneaky and violent toward women on campus," one woman said

The headline makes it sound like students said men generally, or all men, are sneaky and violent whereas actually it was just one student who said there are men who are... which is perfectly true. And the buses should be on time at those dangerous hours when there are not a lot of people around...
 
The thread title, taken from the article, is totally misleading. The actual quote in the article was:
"There are men who are sneaky and violent toward women on campus," one woman said

The headline makes it sound like students said men generally, or all men, are sneaky and violent whereas actually it was just one student who said there are men who are... which is perfectly true. And the buses should be on time at those dangerous hours when there are not a lot of people around...

This isn't rome...the trains don't run on time.
 
So tough schitt to you, your reasonable demands and your peaceful protest because TIA?

:confused:

Yeah tough ****, buses get delayed, thats life. Not a hell of a lot people can do about it.
 
Yeah tough ****, buses get delayed, thats life. Not a hell of a lot people can do about it.

This is the Jammie shuttle and this is late at night or early morning.

Most students had class at night and left campus in the early hours of the morning. They wanted the Jammie Shuttles to be on time so no one was a target.
 
This is the Jammie shuttle and this is late at night or early morning.

So what. At those times its typically only one bus operating between all the routes. A minute or two delay at each stop adds up over the course of a night.

Plus, the Hiddingh campus Jammie stop is inside the campus, close to all the main buildings. That campus is also the most secure, in access control means, than the main one.
 
So what. At those times its typically only one bus operating between all the routes. A minute or two delay at each stop adds up over the course of a night.

That's no excuse not to try or to dismiss their demand out of hand.

Plus, the Hiddingh campus Jammie stop is inside the campus, close to all the main buildings. That campus is also the most secure, in access control means, than the main one.

Did you miss this?

"There are men who are sneaky and violent toward women on campus," one woman said.
 
That's no excuse not to try or to dismiss their demand out of hand.



Did you miss this?

So how is an on time bus gonna fix that?

They are on campus when they are working are they not? A bus isn't going to magically fix the issue of 'sneaky men on campus'.
 
So how is an on time bus gonna fix that?

I dunno....

Most students had class at night and left campus in the early hours of the morning. They wanted the Jammie Shuttles to be on time so no one was a target.

They are on campus when they are working are they not?

I don't know if they're working there or not hence I won't dismiss their claim offhand.
 
I dunno....





I don't know if they're working there or not hence I won't dismiss their claim offhand.

Come now, let's work through this logically.

The scary men are on campus.

The female women are on campus.

They stay on campus working late into the night.

The Jammie shuttle only comes in intervals of 45min or so at that time of night.

How would it make a difference to the likelihood of these women being attacked if the Jammie arrives precisely on time?

The scary men would have had 45 min at least to carry out any misdeed in some closed off room if they wanted to before the Jammie even arrived.
 
I could never afford a proper university such as UCT, Wits or even RAU. I had to study my engineering degree part time and at technikons next to taxi ranks.

Should I rather have burnt stuff down instead?

I'm all for free education, in the right environment, but burning down a varisty because you're angry at the government is like keying your own car because the petrol price is going up.
 
Come now, let's work through this logically.

The scary men are on campus.

The female women are on campus.

They stay on campus working late into the night.

The Jammie shuttle only comes in intervals of 45min or so at that time of night.

How would it make a difference to the likelihood of these women being attacked if the Jammie arrives precisely on time?

The scary men would have had 45 min at least to carry out any misdeed in some closed off room if they wanted to before the Jammie even arrived.

These woman are complaining about the Jammie not being on time. How can you then assert that it comes along in intervals of 45mins? Maybe it's scheduled to do that but does it happen in reality?

Occam's razor would be delighted if you just take these woman seriously and stepped away from the assumptions.
 
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These woman are complaining about the Jammie not being on time. How can you then assert that it comes along in intervals of 45mins? Maybe it's scheduled to do that but does it happen in reality?

Occam's razor would be delighted if you just take these woman seriously and stepped away from the assumptions.

You still haven't seen the massive flaw in your logic.

PS Have you been to UCT? Because I have, and recently at that. So suffice to say I know a bit more than you about how the varsity works.
 
You still haven't seen the massive flaw in your logic.

What? That maybe these woman have a valid complaint and we shouldn't dismiss it offhand?

PS Have you been to UCT? Because I have, and recently at that. So suffice to say I know a bit more than you about how the varsity works.

/cue assumptions.
 
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