Nuxxy
Well-Known Member
Really...don't bother. Xp is still much better than Vista. Spend your money on hardware instead.
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Moederloos
Honorary Master
Just start using Linux.
I spent over 15 years on M$ products, and in under one year my Linux skills are already superior to my M$ ones - why? Because Windows is such a damned mess internally, and its GUI appendages so lame, that it is virtually impossible to really do anything on that "OS".
Linux FTW!
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
QFT
You need all sorts of extra add-ons like antivirus, defragmentation, anti-this and anti-that just for winders to remain functional.
Every time there's a major release, you'll need to get new antivirus and system utilities in order to be compatible with the newer winders version.
Windows focuses on the GUI - you have to do everything through the GUI.
Linux you can use both the GUI and the command-line, it does not matter. I prefer the CLI as it is quicker most of the time.
And most of the utilities and stuff you ever will need is available for free on Linux.
With the dreaded General Protection Fault in Windows 3.1 I was already looking at alternative OS'es, OS/2 being one, and Linux the other one. Linux at that time wasn't as mature as it is today, and needed a lot of knowledge, patience and time to set up the way you want it. Today's distributions are easy to install and use.
There really is no excuse for pirating windows - you can get a free copy of Ubuntu any place and use that instead of a pirated copy of winders.
redarrow
Expert Member
I had a similar experience when I decided to try Linux out, first distro I installed was RedHat 8.0 shortly after it came out. Less than a year after that I trashed my Windows partition.
When I used to use Windows I could never get it to behave just like I wanted, within a year I had Linux doing just what I wanted.
A strange example: My PC back then sat in a separate little room apart from the house, it got pretty hot in there so I always used to open the window (the glass thing in the wall - not the OS
) problem was I occasionally forgot the window open which was a problem if it rained when I was away. Anyway, under Linux what I did was connect a simple push button to the window and wire this into my sound card's "game port" then I made a few changes to the Linux "shutdown" script (/etc/init.d/halt) which checked the state of the joystick button, if it was "released" it would pause the shutdown operation and display a message "Please close the window" .. Never forgot the window open again.
Now whilst it's probably possible to do something like that on Windows, I'm sure it would require quite advanced programming and probably some mucking around with the registry or something.
Quick question then does games run on it. For example will i be able to play Crysis on it??
Moederloos
Honorary Master
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
A strange example: My PC back then sat in a separate little room apart from the house, it got pretty hot in there so I always used to open the window (the glass thing in the wall - not the OS
I love it!!!
Same here. If you're rich enough to afford a state-of-the-art computer in order to play the latest and newest, then surely you can also afford Windows?
1. i am not willing to pay more for a piece of software that is more expensive than 90% of my components in my PC. I got a legal version of vista.
And i don't buy games that is over 300 only under 300 will i buy it(www.btgames.co.za helps a lot in this regard)
2.consoles suck and i don't like the controllers and there games are far to expensive last time I checked.
drop your prices than maybe people won't pirate your sh#tMoederloos
Honorary Master
Pirating Windows is like hijacking a beat up old Datsun.
LOL
eltherza
Expert Member
For every R8 "pirated" R40 is lost in the "ecosystem" right. Well, the money must come from the customers right, so for every R8 you spent on windows products you'll spend R40 to their "ecosystem"?
So if you spend R2000 on vista, that means that you'd spend R10 000 in the "ecosystem"
When you put it that way, you see why people use linux (or pirate) instead...
So if you spend R2000 on vista, that means that you'd spend R10 000 in the "ecosystem"
When you put it that way, you see why people use linux (or pirate) instead...
I would agree with you if I didn't have to buy Windows EVERY TIME I buy a new motherboard.
I already paid for it once. Why must I pay for it again when I upgrade?
No, I'm sorry. That's unacceptable.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
Of course, if everyone simply stopped supporting game makers until *they* stopped only developing for M$....
Rinkhals
Senior Member
So, let me get this straight.
My Company has 20 computers for which Microsoft have not been paid a penny. That makes R60,000.00 (at R3,000.00 each). So that means that the revenue lost to "partners in it's ecosystem" (wtf?) is around R300,000.00?
And that's purely because those computers are loaded with Linux.
What are they trying to prove here? That I have lost the South African economy R300,000.00 because I have specified Linux instead of Windows?
What kind of BS is that?
To my mind what I have done must have benefited the SA economy because my third world bucks are not leaving the country to top up the coffers of Microsoft.
Moreover, the RRP of windows is around R3,000.00 in SA. In the States it's about $59.00 (about R472.00).
This means that us third world peasants are subsidizing windows sales in the first world.
Don't get me wrong: I like XP (sometimes!) and there are areas where Linux cannot provide the required functionality, but I get really irritated when these tossers come out with fanciful statistics which prove; well what?
My Company has 20 computers for which Microsoft have not been paid a penny. That makes R60,000.00 (at R3,000.00 each). So that means that the revenue lost to "partners in it's ecosystem" (wtf?) is around R300,000.00?
And that's purely because those computers are loaded with Linux.
What are they trying to prove here? That I have lost the South African economy R300,000.00 because I have specified Linux instead of Windows?
What kind of BS is that?
To my mind what I have done must have benefited the SA economy because my third world bucks are not leaving the country to top up the coffers of Microsoft.
Moreover, the RRP of windows is around R3,000.00 in SA. In the States it's about $59.00 (about R472.00).
This means that us third world peasants are subsidizing windows sales in the first world.
Don't get me wrong: I like XP (sometimes!) and there are areas where Linux cannot provide the required functionality, but I get really irritated when these tossers come out with fanciful statistics which prove; well what?
lilGr
Expert Member
Arthur
Honorary Master
The reasoning from most of the people here seems to be "we steal the software because it's too expensive" or "Microsoft makes too much money so it's OK to use their stuff without paying", or variants of these 'arguments'. These are not intellectually or morally defensible positions, imo.
When all is said and done, the whole debate devolves to three coherent options:
(1) Become a hardcore commie and reject the notion of private property in its entirety. Use anything you can and want irrespective of others' claim to ownership because you reject ab initio any claim they have to it.
(2) Recognise private property (at least your own claim to your own, if not others') but use other people's property without their permission or in breach of the terms they set. There is a word for that.
(3) Recognise people's right to their property and use it in accordance with the terms they set and you mutually agree. If they want payment for use, then pay. if it's too expensive, use something else even if less than optimal, RYO, or do without.
Choosing (1) and/or (2) subverts and perverts the very foundation of peaceful and sustainable civilisation.
Personally I made my decision many years ago. Every piece of code I use is properly licensed (and paid for if the copyright owner requires it). To the best of my knowledge not a single item of software, music, image or video in my possession is held in breach of the owner's licence agreement. That is because I strongly and scrupulously subscribe to Option (3) above, for philosophical, economic and moral reasons. Not incidental to this decision is the conviction that I will inescapably have to render an accounting to a higher tribunal.
Oh, and I do believe that stealing from a rich man (a somewhat relative notion, you must admit) is still theft.
When all is said and done, the whole debate devolves to three coherent options:
(1) Become a hardcore commie and reject the notion of private property in its entirety. Use anything you can and want irrespective of others' claim to ownership because you reject ab initio any claim they have to it.
(2) Recognise private property (at least your own claim to your own, if not others') but use other people's property without their permission or in breach of the terms they set. There is a word for that.
(3) Recognise people's right to their property and use it in accordance with the terms they set and you mutually agree. If they want payment for use, then pay. if it's too expensive, use something else even if less than optimal, RYO, or do without.
Choosing (1) and/or (2) subverts and perverts the very foundation of peaceful and sustainable civilisation.
Personally I made my decision many years ago. Every piece of code I use is properly licensed (and paid for if the copyright owner requires it). To the best of my knowledge not a single item of software, music, image or video in my possession is held in breach of the owner's licence agreement. That is because I strongly and scrupulously subscribe to Option (3) above, for philosophical, economic and moral reasons. Not incidental to this decision is the conviction that I will inescapably have to render an accounting to a higher tribunal.
Oh, and I do believe that stealing from a rich man (a somewhat relative notion, you must admit) is still theft.
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