Microsoft could force Windows 10 update onto users

genetic said:
Windows 10 is not designed for your 486 laptop. I suggest you ask @sajunky for help for using antique hardware.
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Know sajunky a lot longer than most of you folks here - awesome fella.

I don't have a 486 laptop, and if I did, it would be running WfW, or OS/2.

I had more or less decided, that the white that is Win10, had got to a stage where is was just barely useful, and usable, the the disaster update hit, and now this crap.

I need a new laptop, but am going to hold of buying, till, I find one that has hardware supported by older versions of M$ windows, or I am going to have to dust of my Linux/FreeBSD skills - application does not require M$ windows, just easier, and in my dotage, that is important.

Trouble with Linux/FreeBSD is, I keep fiddling with them, till they are as efficient as all hell, and that takes time I do not want to spend "fiddling" , at my age time is at a premium. :)
 
MirageF1 said:
and no doubt many of the naysayers will complain that they being "forced" to secure their laptop/pc/work enviroments

damn if you do, damned if you don't
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This is complete BS for the average home PC. Windows 10's updates are a pain in the ass for anyone who doesn't have a proper Internet connection and only uses the PC occasionally.
I've switched plenty of my family members over to Linux.
Earlier this year my nephew's laptop did a update in the middle of streaming a bok rugby game.
 
People do not understand the issues.

1. The updates are MASSIVE - I don't have the data to update 4/5/6 GB even once a month.

2. The updates are frequently faulty to the point of crashing systems. I can't afford for that to happen to my computer. I can't afford to replace it if an update destroys it. And MS aren't offering to replace or repair the damage THEY caused.

3. I have a right to choose what I do, what I take risks on, and what I'm prepared to spend (data is not free) on updates.
 
Spectre meltdown mitigation caused a tonne of intel CPU's to fall over on newly built workstations and servers.

1809's first release caused numerous well known issues including data loss. Second release caused update loops primarily due to OEM builds done wrong from what I've gathered from the techs here.

And the list goes on...

You can see the guys constantly defending Microsoft ether doesn't own any of the effected devices or is completely oblivious as to what is going on in their business environments.
 
simple, you dont want forced upgrades? disconnect your PC from the LAN, and stay on a XP PC.

granted your pc is pretty useless at this point, but many still leave their PC's in this state.

otherwise, upgrade, when you have data to spare of course, set your connection as metered if it bother you so much.
and dont stay on older versions for so long,

yes compatibility is a issue, I agree, that is why one does backups, and can always go back to a working version at the drop of a hat.
 
Rouxenator said:
Personally as a software developer I keep annoying my manager by pushing for "Microsoft deployments". By pass testing and QA and just release to production. Let the end users be the testers.
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Personally as a tester, I hope your manager pushes back. This is a terrible idea unless both your design and code are very good, your changes very small and your clients / users very patient and forgiving. My experience in the industry is that generally none of these are true. Business constantly pushes for bigger changes in shorter time-frames, the software becomes something it was never designed to be and the code becomes a complex mess, all of which results in bugs. Users, especially paying users want the best experience. Software still in beta won't give them that.
 
After I get a specific website (that still relies heavily on flash) to work on Linux -which is proving to be a yuge challenge- I will be making the move permanently. (Worst case scenario, I load up Win10 in a VM...but jeez...what a mission (-_-) )
The games I do occasionally play, all seem to work fine on Linux so there's really no reason to stay on windows anymore -for me, at least.
 
I have not used Windows for almost 11 years I think on my personal laptops. My Samsung laptop with I5 cpu still going strong and I even use it at work with Elemtary OS on. I plug it into LAN cable at work and it pics up the network printers 100% and all Vodacom systems I use runs in Chrome.

It lets me know when updates are available but up to me to accept it.

I wish laptop and PC makers would start doing more Linux hardware. It is free and has become really easy to use and most apps that a average home user needs is available for free on the software stores for the various distributions. But I think MS has them in their pocket.
 
Sl8er said:
After I get a specific website (that still relies heavily on flash) to work on Linux .

The games I do occasionally play, all seem to work fine on Linux so there's really no reason to stay on windows anymore -for me, at least.
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Flash, is insecure and shite. If a site uses flash, I just leave and go elsewhere. Whatever reason I visited their site, can be achieved somewhere on another site or two, that don't use flash.

Play Guildwars 2, which does not run on Linux, but does have a Mac client - meh...
 
elf_lord_ZC5 said:
Flash, is insecure and shite. If a site uses flash, I just leave and go elsewhere. Whatever reason I visited their site, can be achieved somewhere on another site or two, that don't use flash.
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I don't have a choice, I have to have access to the site -hence, possibly, having to go the Win 10 VM route (-_-)
 
rietrot said:
This is complete BS for the average home PC. Windows 10's updates are a pain in the ass for anyone who doesn't have a proper Internet connection and only uses the PC occasionally.
I've switched plenty of my family members over to Linux.
Earlier this year my nephew's laptop did a update in the middle of streaming a bok rugby game.
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Your B$ is your opinion and mine are others ease of use.
No software is perfect or idiotproof. Linux is not for the average home user.

I am an IBM Unix Sys Engineer (3 years ) from the early 90s and still find Windows easier to use, navigate, install,configure for the average man on the street out there - and I use it myself for everything from personal use to my astro imaging processing to 3 tier client server apps i specialise in.

WIN10 is faster, leaner and uses about half the initial mem to start up than win7 did....
 
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eg2505 said:
simple, you dont want forced upgrades? disconnect your PC from the LAN, and stay on a XP PC.

granted your pc is pretty useless at this point, but many still leave their PC's in this state.

otherwise, upgrade, when you have data to spare of course, set your connection as metered if it bother you so much.
and dont stay on older versions for so long,

yes compatibility is a issue, I agree, that is why one does backups, and can always go back to a working version at the drop of a hat.
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Or Win7. And it's still perfectly good at doing everything a Win10 pc does.

MirageF1 said:
Your B$ is your opinion and mine are others ease of use.
No software is perfect or idiotproof. Linux is not for the average home user.

I am an IBM Unix Sys Engineer (3 years ) from the early 90s and still find Windows easier to use, navigate, install,configure for the average man on the street out there - and I use it myself for everything from personal use to my astro imaging processing to 3 tier client server apps i specialise in.

WIN10 is faster, leaner and uses about half the initial mem to start up than win7 did....
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Win10 is quickly changing that.
 
RedViking said:
I don't say never update. But I like to wait a couple of months for M$ to sort out the rubbish and when things are stable I will update when it is convenient to me. There is no need for them to force something onto someone. I am currently on 1803 and will update to 1809 when I feel like it.
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Notice the word "could" in the article. Secondly, the article deals with much older versions of windows, not 1803 .

genetic said:
Windows 10 is not designed for your 486 laptop. I suggest you ask @sajunky for help for using antique hardware.
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I don't know, I have a very old HP laptop (originally came with WIN 95) that I have very successfully installed win 10 Pro on, with a few modifications and removal of most of the Windows Store stuff.
 
MirageF1 said:
Your B$ is your opinion and mine are others ease of use.
No software is perfect or idiotproof. Linux is not for the average home user.

I am an IBM Unix Sys Engineer (3 years ) from the early 90s and still find Windows easier to use, navigate, install,configure for the average man on the street out there - and I use it myself for everything from personal use to my astro imaging processing to 3 tier client server apps i specialise in.

WIN10 is faster, leaner and uses about half the initial mem to start up than win7 did....
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It is all about attitude. Engineers of our vintage were taught never to blame their tools, just their inability to optimally use them!
 
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