Microsoft could force Windows 10 update onto users

[Rouxenator]

There are good alternatives to Windows, no doubt, but as someone that makes the majority of my living off Microsoft I can't fault there products

Not that it's always been like that. Visual Studio 2003 was one of the worst for me. Then again at the time I had to do a lot of crystal reports and it was poorly integrated.

Bottom line is they have their ups and downs, but for the most part 10 is a great OS.

 

[porchrat]

and no doubt many of the naysayers will complain that they being "forced" to secure their laptop/pc/work enviroments

damn if you do, damned if you don't

I had to reinstall my wife's OS earlier this year because the latest Windows update was so broken I couldn't boot into windows any longer.

I don't mind having updates forced, provided they work, which they don't always do.

 

[MrGray]

I have no problem with Microsoft nagging you to install important security updates.

I have a massive problem with not having control over the process, and the fact that so many PC's seem to get trashed after every round of these updates.

I've lost track of the amount of times I've been embarrassed by an updating machine just as I start a client presentation or demo - or worse, just as I'm trying to deploy production software or run some critical process. And the morning after every round of these updates there are always one or two pc's in the office that won't boot, won't recover etc etc - you probably know the drill. And no, disabling automated updates, changing settings in group policy, etc most often seems to have no effect on this.

I also don't understand this need for massive monolithic updates when it often turns out that there are only changes in one or two dlls, or just a defender virus definition. It seems like MS just bundles the entire stack into an update even if they've only changed two lines of code in something.

IMHO, this is the primary weakness of the Windows platform. It's abhorrent, and absolutely staggering that basically hundreds of millions of pc's have this continuous issue with massive involuntary updates frequently trashing systems, or at least hitting you with an update as you sit down to start working on that hectic deadline project.

 

[MirageF1]

^^^^ where do you get your stats that 100's of millions have this issue. Await a link, proof, report, etc thanks

I for one had no issues when the 1803->1809 update took place.

I suspect it's more like 0.1% of users...and most of those had reasons why the update caused issues.

 

[Geoff.D]

@garp.
It is about how you or any other user approaches the whole matter of owning a PC.
It is about making the time available to understand what the device does. It is about "taking under review" what you think you know about windows and how things changed when win 10 was introduced. Especially with group policies.
My daughter uses her PC all the time to make presentations and do critical work. She has not one single time ever been embarrassed or inconvenienced by an update or any failure.
So while I accept that this happens, I know win 10 can be configured to prevent it and therefore it is just not an issue.
It only affects those that try and work around the update process instead of setting the pc to undertake the updates under your control.

 

[Geoff.D]

I am currently "fixing a laptop" with this so-called 1803-1809 issue.
So far I have very successfully, backed up the data, so nothing has been lost, got the PC back on the air, removed all the crap installed, and are well on the way to completing the 1809 upgrade, after which the important sw will be re-installed. The rest is up to the owner to put back himself he wants to.
No big deal at all.

The problem appears to have been triggered by some leftover Windows essentials rubbish that broke the upgrade.

 

[MrGray]

@garp.
It is about how you or any other user approaches the whole matter of owning a PC.
It is about making the time available to understand what the device does. It is about "taking under review" what you think you know about windows and how things changed when win 10 was introduced. Especially with group policies.
My daughter uses her PC all the time to make presentations and do critical work. She has not one single time ever been embarrassed or inconvenienced by an update or any failure.
So while I accept that this happens, I know win 10 can be configured to prevent it and therefore it is just not an issue.
It only affects those that try and work around the update process instead of setting the pc to undertake the updates under your control.

LOL, no it's not a user thing (nor should it be) and if you haven't seen the widespread complaints going back to Win 8 about the havoc caused by forced updates you must have been living in a cave. I agree with a lot of what this guy says: