Microsoft failed to offer users a web browser choice

ghoti said:
Dont agree. Going around to many of my clients I see IE everywhere. When asked why they have that browser.... they ask what a browser is. They do not know any better.
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You want to give those clueless people options?

Shyte imagine they get a pop up asking what browser they want, how would they choose. I mean they don't even know what a browser is.
 
If IE was to be web-standards compliant perhaps then the dominance issue would be a moot point... but IE tends to redefine web standards and there are soooo many work-arounds and fixes to get it working and perhaps with an IE browser on every Windows desktop herein the danger lay... the web becoming IE dependent. Opera, Firefox etc needed (and still needs) fixes for certain websites BECAUSE these are IE compliant... the web devs just made sure they worked with Microsoft's browser and accompanied proprietary dependencies and left it at that... all other browser development would thus also need to rely on Microsoft IE foundations UNLESS the shift to "browser agnosticism" according to web compliant standards can be actively promoted.

Hence this movement to un-bundle IE from the OS perhaps ?? Also thus the push from Microsoft to redefine these standards.

At some point perhaps a line was needed to be drawn in the sand... self regulation only works on a level playing field.

Windows N is proof that Media Player and IE need NOT be baked into the OS... and that it can be fully functional sans the obligatory install.

A part of me somehow wishes that Microsoft had just bought Netscape / Opera and baked this into their OS, pulling it into WWW standard compliance... Internet Explorer, pfffft, the less said about it perhaps the better.

Sooooooo.... waffle waffle wall of text... the dominance threat was not IE itself, but the reliance on it of Windows users as the "out of the box" browser that forced the entire internet to adapt to IE's butchering of WWW compliance that was the stifler of innovation and competition... and this needed to change, thus the browser choice ruling methinks.
 
Fudzy said:
Speaking of which I wish they dumped that generic browser for Chrome.
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They have, as of Android 4.1

Also I like Internet Explorer 9 and 10. They are supporting a lot more standards, and work quite quickly IMO.
 
Synaesthesia said:
They have, as of Android 4.1

Also I like Internet Explorer 9 and 10. They are supporting a lot more standards, and work quite quickly IMO.
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What? I'm running JB on my S3 and I have to install Chrome, there is still a Browser on the phone too.
 
Well on the Nexus 7, and Galaxy Nexus, Chrome is the default browser in Jelly Bean.
 
killadoob said:
You want to give those clueless people options?
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I tend to move them off such an insecure browser. Those that stay on IE tend be return clients with all types of malware :D


Shyte imagine they get a pop up asking what browser they want, how would they choose. I mean they don't even know what a browser is.
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They would choose the most brightly coloured icon :D
 
the issue is very simple MS agreed to institute a system and failed to do so. The EU is entitled to be pissed and to enforce the agreement. MS and Mozilla and Apple and Google in the browser departments all actually work pretty well together on certain issues of operability (and sending each other cake) and IIRC the idea was suggested by Microsoft itself.
 
Give the man a Bells!

kilobits said:
If IE was to be web-standards compliant perhaps then the dominance issue would be a moot point... but IE tends to redefine web standards and there are soooo many work-arounds and fixes to get it working and perhaps with an IE browser on every Windows desktop herein the danger lay... the web becoming IE dependent. Opera, Firefox etc needed (and still needs) fixes for certain websites BECAUSE these are IE compliant... the web devs just made sure they worked with Microsoft's browser and accompanied proprietary dependencies and left it at that... all other browser development would thus also need to rely on Microsoft IE foundations UNLESS the shift to "browser agnosticism" according to web compliant standards can be actively promoted.

Hence this movement to un-bundle IE from the OS perhaps ?? Also thus the push from Microsoft to redefine these standards.

At some point perhaps a line was needed to be drawn in the sand... self regulation only works on a level playing field.

Windows N is proof that Media Player and IE need NOT be baked into the OS... and that it can be fully functional sans the obligatory install.

A part of me somehow wishes that Microsoft had just bought Netscape / Opera and baked this into their OS, pulling it into WWW standard compliance... Internet Explorer, pfffft, the less said about it perhaps the better.

Sooooooo.... waffle waffle wall of text... the dominance threat was not IE itself, but the reliance on it of Windows users as the "out of the box" browser that forced the entire internet to adapt to IE's butchering of WWW compliance that was the stifler of innovation and competition... and this needed to change, thus the browser choice ruling methinks.
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Slootvreter said:
Why SHOULD OEM's distribute any other manufacturer's browser on Microsoft's money? And if someone is not computer saccy enough to download another browser and set it as default, why would they even need another one?
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Some OEM's wanted to install other browsers but were prohibited by their contracts with MS (which were later deemed to be illegal). That was the complaint. No one was forcing them to install someone else's browser, they were being prevented from doing it by Microsoft. In other words, MS was abusing their monopoly at the time. Glad you think that's fair, I suppose you really enjoy the Eskom increases too.

Why do you think this judgement occurred?

http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f0000/0047.htm
 
The world is a fsucking joke, if people cannot compete then they try their luck with laws and actions. Why can they not just develop their own OS then they can add their schiit to it just like M$ do. Thats why I like Google, they go big! Fsuck the rest M$ included.
 
wily me said:
The world is a fsucking joke, if people cannot compete then they try their luck with laws and actions. Why can they not just develop their own OS then they can add their schiit to it just like M$ do. Thats why I like Google, they go big! Fsuck the rest M$ included.
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Why should someone who is good at creating a browser have to learn how to create an OS?
 
milomak said:
Why should someone who is good at creating a browser have to learn how to create an OS?
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Who was first with a decent windows compatible browser???? Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Microsoft should make it that none other browsers works on their proprietary system.
 
milomak said:
Why should someone who is good at creating a browser have to learn how to create an OS?
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Because it is just so much easier piggy-backing off the company that makes the OS instead of making your own.
 
Installed Win8. Found it interesting the default IE settings don't allow FF to download.
 
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