Microsoft MVP's don't know everything and are not always right.

Solarion

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Moron told me the book I was studying from was mainly for hobbyist programmers.

I dug a little deeper. Turns out that same book forms one of Microsoft's Official MCSD courses.
 
We know, it's no secret.

They are specialists in tinkering around with the latest tech and ideas in a sandbox environment, great at talking about it and spreading awareness.

Ask them to come and implement this new awesomsauce in an existing code base with a few years' worth of fluff and...Nothing. Hopeless.
 
In fact, we had one of them showcase how fantastic the latest (at the time) Visual Studio Ultimate was, showed us all the features and how you can manage the source code's flow and dependencies all from the IDE. The problem? The actual developers are only given Visual Studio Professional.

So basically what the bright spark showed us over the course of the hour was everything we can't have.

Another one came and "consulted" new ideas of how our communication with a message broker should work. Wasn't prepared and tried to wing it. Came across this foreign thing called an XSD and asked us if we knew what it was.

....but boy are they experts in WCF and what not! Go Silverlight, the future!!!

:rolleyes:
 
Hamster said:
In fact, we had one of them showcase how fantastic the latest (at the time) Visual Studio Ultimate was, showed us all the features and how you can manage the source code's flow and dependencies all from the IDE. The problem? The actual developers are only given Visual Studio Professional.

So basically what the bright spark showed us over the course of the hour was everything we can't have.

Another one came and "consulted" new ideas of how our communication with a message broker should work. Wasn't prepared and tried to wing it. Came across this foreign thing called an XSD and asked us if we knew what it was.

....but boy are they experts in WCF and what not! Go Silverlight, the future!!!

:rolleyes:
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You would think they would have at least come across it with all their love for all things WCF I mean really. I think I have come to appreciate that, even in a place like Silicon Valley, they have a whole bunch of guys who specialize in 1 particular field, all working on something like Microsoft Office. One team works on developing the Calendar in Outlook, another team works on Contacts list Dev, another whole team works on the .NET Interop and even then with .NET it can break down into many other teams.

But my god, at least they could use google like I did for even half a minute, before opening their mouths it's not that hard.

I'm not raging or even upset at all. Just musing over all this :crylaugh:
 
What does Silicon Valley and the Office dev teams have to do with MVP's

They are basically just advocates.

You sound like you have enjoyed a few Saturday afternoon beers :p
 
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From what I've seen in SA most of these guys who do the presentations get told a few days ahead of time oh by the way you have this big presentation in a few days and you need to look like an expert.
They are usually also newly certified and don't have years of solid experience. The guys with the solid experience are neck deep in a project of some sort.
 
Hamster said:
In fact, we had one of them showcase how fantastic the latest (at the time) Visual Studio Ultimate was, showed us all the features and how you can manage the source code's flow and dependencies all from the IDE. The problem? The actual developers are only given Visual Studio Professional.

So basically what the bright spark showed us over the course of the hour was everything we can't have.

Another one came and "consulted" new ideas of how our communication with a message broker should work. Wasn't prepared and tried to wing it. Came across this foreign thing called an XSD and asked us if we knew what it was.

....but boy are they experts in WCF and what not! Go Silverlight, the future!!!

:rolleyes:
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Showing off enterprise features is very common and quite annoying. Oh, that'll work well for us, Sorry Enterprise only. Like most SME's can afford those license costs.
 
Solarion said:
Isn't Microshafts's head office in Silicon Valley? I don't know but wherever it is, the MVP's don't work there lol

Also I prefer to partake in Monster drinks these days so maybe too much caffeine :)

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/mtc/locations/siliconvalley.aspx
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Microsoft's head offices are in Redmond WA, near Seattle (I've been to their offices). They have at least one local office in SV, that I used to drive past.

AFAIK, MVPs aren't even MS employees, so unless I'm really off the mark(???), you are mistaken in thinking that they are even employees at all.
 
cguy said:
AFAIK, MVPs aren't even MS employees
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They're not. BBD at one stage had three or four employees that qualified as MVPs and if I'm not mistaken it's a voting system so it's more a case of popularity (tech talks etc) than skill that gets you the title.
 
cguy said:
Microsoft's head offices are in Redmond WA, near Seattle (I've been to their offices). They have at least one local office in SV, that I used to drive past.

AFAIK, MVPs aren't even MS employees, so unless I'm really off the mark(???), you are mistaken in thinking that they are even employees at all.
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Yeah from my understanding they are specifically NOT employees.
 
Solarion said:
But my god, at least they could use google like I did for even half a minute, before opening their mouths it's not that hard.
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Well there's the problem right there, they were bamboozled when they Bingled xsd, they would probably have had better luck Bingling for xdr.
 
Personally I always laugh at people who think they can click their way out of a production problem. Linux is for the big boys who want to push 10000 tps on a 2 core server after cracking open the kernel.
 
Solarion said:
Isn't Microshafts's head office in Silicon Valley? I don't know but wherever it is, the MVP's don't work there lol

Also I prefer to partake in Monster drinks these days so maybe too much caffeine :)

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/mtc/locations/siliconvalley.aspx
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I used to be ignorant like you in my youth. They have changed leaps and bounds over the years, opening tons of their technology, giving away licenses. Perhaps show a bit of respect to the company that gives you your salary at the end of the month, and by them I mean giving you the opportunity to use their tools to make a living, just in case you want to argue semantics.
 
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stricken said:
Personally I always laugh at people who think they can click their way out of a production problem. Linux is for the big boys who want to push 10000 tps on a 2 core server after cracking open the kernel.
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What the hell are you even on about and what does that have to do with MVP?
 
semaphore said:
What the hell are you even on about and what does that have to do with MVP?
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Nothing. I'm just a reality evangelist. And get to deal with teams of people who are stumped when something outside the playbook comes along. I have received enough grief from Microsoft click junkies for ten lifetimes. And every single time, the issue cannot be solved with a tick box.

So what is a Microsoft certification anyway? A guide on how to be a pro mouse user?
 
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stricken said:
Nothing. I'm just a reality evangelist. And get to deal with teams of people who are stumped when something outside the playbook comes along. I have received enough grief from Microsoft click junkies for ten lifetimes. And every single time, the issue cannot be solved with a tick box.

So what is a Microsoft certification anyway? A guide on how to be a pro mouse user?
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Err... perhaps you need to do some research, you're making yourself look pretty foolish if you think that's what it is.
 
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