Microsoft opens new AI lab to take on Google

The journalist's gratuitous add-on phrase "to take on Google" is nowhere found in any announcement from Microsoft. It is her interpretation, her editorial view, her invention.

Now of course it's entirely ok to give your own views, to interpret, to editorialise. That is any person's prerogative, even journalists'.

If a journalist's credibility is to be retained, the least that the reading public asks is that a clear distinction be drawn between a reporting of the facts, and the journalist's own interpretation and editorialising.

The headline here doesn't do that. On the face of it, it's misleading. Which is a disappointment.
 
Arthur said:
The journalist's gratuitous add-on phrase "to take on Google" is nowhere found in any announcement from Microsoft. It is her interpretation, her editorial view, her invention.

Now of course it's entirely ok to give your own views, to interpret, to editorialise. That is any person's prerogative, even journalists'.

If a journalist's credibility is to be retained, the least that the reading public asks is that a clear distinction be drawn between a reporting of the facts, and the journalist's own interpretation and editorialising.

The headline here doesn't do that. On the face of it, it's misleading. Which is a disappointment.
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This
 
backstreetboy said:
M$ playing catchup again. They should start with their spam filters that's so terrible.
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ToAsTeD said:
MS always playing catchup - well in the last 10 years atleast.
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With crappy headlines like those above, little wonder these two people make such ignorant comments. Msft has been doing advanced AI research since before Google existed. Over the past few years some important advances have been made - eg realtime voice recognition at parity with humans, complex image id and analysis, to name just two areas - and there is now greater emphasis on commercialising this and more widely applying it in business solutions. That's all this announcement is about.

It is far truer to say that Google starts AI research to take on Microsoft. Microsoft's software R&D dwarfs Google's by an order of magnitude at least. Besides, Google is an advertising company that makes >98% of its sales revenue from advertising. Microsoft is a software company that makes >90% of its sales revenues from software.
 
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Arthur said:
With crappy headlines like those above, little wonder these two people make such ignorant comments. Msft has been doing advanced AI research since before Google existed. Over the past few years some important advances have been made - eg realtime voice recognition at parity with humans, complex image id and analysis, to name just two areas - and there is now greater emphasis on commercialising this and more widely applying it in business solutions. That's all this announcement is about.

It is far truer to say that Google starts AI research to take on Microsoft. Microsoft's software R&D dwarfs Google's by an order of magnitude at least. [b=]Besides, Google is an advertising company that makes >98% of its sales revenue from advertising. Microsoft is a software company that makes >90% of its sales revenues from software.[/b]
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Yet the one that makes its money from ads have much better software. Go figure.
 
Arthur said:
Hehe. You have a rather jaundiced view of what constitutes software. It's rather more than your smartphone and a few cloudy apps.
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What separated Google out from everyone else was that their software was better than everyone elses. You compare how useless MSN search was compared to Google when it was released.

Plus this:

In September 2015, Google engineering manager Rachel Potvin revealed details about Google's software code at an engineering conference. She revealed that the entire Google codebase, which spans every single service it develops, consists of over 2 billion lines of code. All that code is stored on a code repository available to all 25,000 Google engineers, and the code is regularly copied and updated on 10 Google data centers. To keep control, Potvin said Google has built its own "version control system", called "Piper", and that "when you start a new project, you have a wealth of libraries already available to you. Almost everything has already been done." Engineers can make a single code change and deploy it on all services at the same time. The only major exceptions are that the PageRank search results algorithm is stored separately with only specific employee access, and the code for the Android operating system and the Google Chrome browser are also stored separately, as they don't run on the Internet. The "Piper" system spans 85 TB of data. Google engineers make 25,000 changes to the code each day, and on a weekly basis change approximately 15 million lines of code across 250,000 files. With that much code, automated bots have to help. Potvin reported, "You need to make a concerted effort to maintain code health. And this is not just humans maintaining code health, but robots too.” Bots aren't writing code, but generating a lot of the data and configuration files needed to run the company’s software. "Not only is the size of the repository increasing," Potvin explained, "but the rate of change is also increasing. This is an exponential curve.
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That is ridiculous considering Windows is about 50 million.
 
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What separated Google out from everyone else was that their software was better than everyone elses. You compare how useless MSN search was compared to Google when it was released.
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I would hardly call Google's software better than everyone elses except in the search and ad space, and even that is questionable these days.
 
konfab said:
What separated Google out from everyone else was that their software was better than everyone elses. You compare how useless MSN search was compared to Google when it was released.

Plus this:

That is ridiculous considering Windows is about 50 million.
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Haha. You want to compare Google' entire codebase to just one of hundreds of Msft products?? Preposterous. That's like arguing that all there is to automotive engineering is steering wheel, accelerator and gear lever, the little bits that the user sees. Sure they're important, but it utterly ignores 98% of what it takes to engineer a car. There's rather more to Microsoft than the lines of code in the Windows client, which is just one of thousands of different products. Just because you don't see them or use them doesn't mean millions of others don't.
 
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Works perfectly fine for me
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Yes, I know. It works for you, as you are a troll. I am pretty sure you had pop up with this not the first time. ;)

When you type Windows internal command in search Window it doesn't find it till you type full name. It doesn't give the right suggestion even you type the same name multiple times. Definitely Microsoft needs super-duper AI to achieve proper result. .LOL.
 
konfab said:
What separated Google out from everyone else was that their software was better than everyone elses. You compare how useless MSN search was compared to Google when it was released.

Plus this:



That is ridiculous considering Windows is about 50 million.
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That pagerank repository is the holy grail
 
sajunky said:
Yes, I know. It works for you, as you are a troll. I am pretty sure you had pop up with this not the first time. ;)

When you type Windows internal command in search Window it doesn't find it till you type full name. It doesn't give the right suggestion even you type the same name multiple times. Definitely Microsoft needs super-duper AI to achieve proper result. .LOL.
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huh?
 
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