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Maverick_Nick
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Windows VS Everything else
I was an early adopter of Vista, and I admit that at first the system wasn't entirely robust. There were a few bugs, but nothing you shouldn't expect from a newly released system. After a few months and a few updates, Vista is rock solid - IT JUST WORKS!
A major gripe for many people is the performance of Vista. All I can say is that if you have the correct hardware like I do, Vista flies. Besides when XP came out you needed a top end PC even back then to get it to work decently. Eventually we'll reach a point where a minimum spec PC will run Vista with ease.
Unlike XP which was an evolution of WIN2K, Vista is a whole new animal. Sure it's going to take some getting used to, but once you do you'll realize how much simpler it is to use than XP.
If you're considering moving to another operating system like Linux or OSX, then you should think carefully of the possible ramifications. Will you be guaranteed that the new device you just purchased is supported by your non-Windows OS? Will your games work without running an emulator that is bound to decrease performance? Most software out there are designed for Windows, so just remember that you won't always have the coolest toys if you're not running Windows. Most people I know running other operating systems are running dual-boot with Windows.
Of course Windows-haters still believe that there'll be a mass migration any day now. Well you guys can keep on believing
I was an early adopter of Vista, and I admit that at first the system wasn't entirely robust. There were a few bugs, but nothing you shouldn't expect from a newly released system. After a few months and a few updates, Vista is rock solid - IT JUST WORKS!
A major gripe for many people is the performance of Vista. All I can say is that if you have the correct hardware like I do, Vista flies. Besides when XP came out you needed a top end PC even back then to get it to work decently. Eventually we'll reach a point where a minimum spec PC will run Vista with ease.
Unlike XP which was an evolution of WIN2K, Vista is a whole new animal. Sure it's going to take some getting used to, but once you do you'll realize how much simpler it is to use than XP.
If you're considering moving to another operating system like Linux or OSX, then you should think carefully of the possible ramifications. Will you be guaranteed that the new device you just purchased is supported by your non-Windows OS? Will your games work without running an emulator that is bound to decrease performance? Most software out there are designed for Windows, so just remember that you won't always have the coolest toys if you're not running Windows. Most people I know running other operating systems are running dual-boot with Windows.
Of course Windows-haters still believe that there'll be a mass migration any day now. Well you guys can keep on believing
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Care to give an example (that isn't a game)?
I wanted a PC that works out of the box with no additional drivers needed for my printer/scanner/camera so I got a Mac.
I used Windows since Win95/98/ME/2000/XP and I reinstalled the OS every 4-6 months since 1996 to 2007.
I tried the Linux route but my skills in editing the Linux kernel weren't there.
I've had my Mac for 15 months now and I only did something to the OS when Leopard got released (upgraded).
I used Windows since Win95/98/ME/2000/XP and I reinstalled the OS every 4-6 months since 1996 to 2007.
I tried the Linux route but my skills in editing the Linux kernel weren't there.
I've had my Mac for 15 months now and I only did something to the OS when Leopard got released (upgraded).
What get's it done!
Why would I use a more expensive piece of hardware that doesn't run all my software! I have specific requirements, the argument that MAC is better is ignorant, better than what? I am lead to believe that everything you can do on a MAC you can do on a PC. But not everything you can do on a PC you can do on a MAC. Mainstream gaming for one.
The question is, are there applications that come standard on a MAC that I'd have to purchase for a PC to get the same functionality? This alone could push me to swap.
Your favorite apps will always determine which OS you use.
I've been using Virtual Machines (specifically www.VMware.com) for about two years now and I get all the flexibility I need to run any OS I want (Win98, Win2k, WinXP, Vista, Fedora, Ubuntu, Solaris) anytime I want. Oh hold on, except for MAC OS'. This gives me almost infinite possibilities to do anything I need to, all I need now is decent broadband to download all the apps.
At least give me a good reason to swap to MAC? Not a bull**** argument "because it's better".
Why would I use a more expensive piece of hardware that doesn't run all my software! I have specific requirements, the argument that MAC is better is ignorant, better than what? I am lead to believe that everything you can do on a MAC you can do on a PC. But not everything you can do on a PC you can do on a MAC. Mainstream gaming for one.
The question is, are there applications that come standard on a MAC that I'd have to purchase for a PC to get the same functionality? This alone could push me to swap.
Your favorite apps will always determine which OS you use.
I've been using Virtual Machines (specifically www.VMware.com) for about two years now and I get all the flexibility I need to run any OS I want (Win98, Win2k, WinXP, Vista, Fedora, Ubuntu, Solaris) anytime I want. Oh hold on, except for MAC OS'. This gives me almost infinite possibilities to do anything I need to, all I need now is decent broadband to download all the apps.
At least give me a good reason to swap to MAC? Not a bull**** argument "because it's better".
The problem is that Win2K was enough for everyone in a business environment, XP added some multimedia extensions. XP and 2K like
NT were fully 32 bit, non DOS based OS's. Win 9x/ME were
not fully 32bit and had elements of 16 bit code (DOS).
XP and 2K do everything you'd want them to do without the BS.
Vista on the other hand doesn't. It is incompatible with some
older software (Lotus Notes for ex) and it just runs everything slower.
Your super fast machine would be faster if it ran XP. Having to pay an additional premium to get the same as XP performance in my book
is a downgrade and worthy of a LAMENESS award towards M$.
Haha and people are happily upgrading to XP from Vista OEM'ed
machines and paying for it. XP just is enough until MS
ships a UNIX clone.
Here is the quote for all you Vista heads:
"Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." --Henry Spencer
Yesterday while looking through Cowon A3 forums, I noticed people complaining about Vista not copying files across USB2 fast enough
onto that Media Player, well XP doesn't give those issues. You learn
about successive Windows Vista BS every day.
ramonthomas
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Convert to Mac
Happy new year fellow Mac users ;-)
I have been using PCs with MSDOS/Windows since 1990 and recently received my first ever Macintosh, an Apple MacBook Pro, as a gift from Google. I had a choice between a PC laptop and a Mac and there was no absolutely no doubt in my mind that I had to try something new.
And its been a few weeks now and what a pleasure. It's like comparing heaven and earth, like comparing Merc and Golf. Especially since the new Mac OS X is based on Unix, the stability of the OS is fabulous. I have migrated my other PCs from WindowsXP to Ubuntu.
ciao!
Ramon
Happy new year fellow Mac users ;-)
I have been using PCs with MSDOS/Windows since 1990 and recently received my first ever Macintosh, an Apple MacBook Pro, as a gift from Google. I had a choice between a PC laptop and a Mac and there was no absolutely no doubt in my mind that I had to try something new.
And its been a few weeks now and what a pleasure. It's like comparing heaven and earth, like comparing Merc and Golf. Especially since the new Mac OS X is based on Unix, the stability of the OS is fabulous. I have migrated my other PCs from WindowsXP to Ubuntu.
ciao!
Ramon
supersunbird
Honorary Master
This is why apple users suck, make it sound like a religion!
Roman4604
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I'm pretty happy with MS (Vista), does the job for me & is unrivaled for choice & quality of sw & hw.
However there is no denying the synergy of using hw & sw designed & built by the same ppl (especially for novice users). The problem I have is Apple make it sound like breakthrough. Back at the shack its not really rocket science, anyone, ever MS, can do it ... my XBOX360 run its purpose built OS very smoothly.
However there is no denying the synergy of using hw & sw designed & built by the same ppl (especially for novice users). The problem I have is Apple make it sound like breakthrough. Back at the shack its not really rocket science, anyone, ever MS, can do it ... my XBOX360 run its purpose built OS very smoothly.
ramonthomas
Active Member
A gift from Google
Yes, it was a gift. I attended TED Global in Tanzania in June 2007 as a Fellow. The trip, accommodation and conference fees were sponsored by Google, GE and AMD. On the last day of the conference we had a special Fellows breakfast and it was here that it was announced, to our great surprise and excitement, that the 100 Fellows will be receiving laptops sponsored by Google. And we could choose between a PC laptop and Mac. It may in fact be from Google.org because Larry Brilliant, the Executive Director of Google.org and Larry Page, was all over the conference. Google.org is doing a lot of non-profit work in Africa, especially Tanzania and surrounding countries.
For those of you interested in TED, the the Tanzania conference was such a huge success, there will be an annual TED Africa conference, with the next one in Cape Town this September.
Yes, it was a gift. I attended TED Global in Tanzania in June 2007 as a Fellow. The trip, accommodation and conference fees were sponsored by Google, GE and AMD. On the last day of the conference we had a special Fellows breakfast and it was here that it was announced, to our great surprise and excitement, that the 100 Fellows will be receiving laptops sponsored by Google. And we could choose between a PC laptop and Mac. It may in fact be from Google.org because Larry Brilliant, the Executive Director of Google.org and Larry Page, was all over the conference. Google.org is doing a lot of non-profit work in Africa, especially Tanzania and surrounding countries.
For those of you interested in TED, the the Tanzania conference was such a huge success, there will be an annual TED Africa conference, with the next one in Cape Town this September.
AirWolf
Honorary Master
Same here.
Cost?
Im a Mac, you're a PC!
Its actually quite simple guys, "Each to their own"!
Each platform has its pros and cons. I was a windows user since Windows 3.1 and about 6 months ago did the leap over to a Macbook and OS X.
So in my mind, the pros and cons are simple.
If you want a stable OS that doesnt give you the blue screen of death and take around 60 seconds to load with almost NO VIRUSES, go MAC!
If you want a interface where you what to develop on traditional Microsoft platforms and actually be able to print on a Microsoft network (my current issue in the office with my Mac) go Windows XP.
To all Windows users, all I can say is, don't mock a MAC until you have spent a couple hours multi-tasking through the operating system, its actually liberating and yes "It just works". Also I know mac users that are running parallels (running XP on a Mac along with OSX) that swear on a stack of bibles its more stable on a Intel-based Mac than a PC.
Its actually quite simple guys, "Each to their own"!
Each platform has its pros and cons. I was a windows user since Windows 3.1 and about 6 months ago did the leap over to a Macbook and OS X.
So in my mind, the pros and cons are simple.
If you want a stable OS that doesnt give you the blue screen of death and take around 60 seconds to load with almost NO VIRUSES, go MAC!
If you want a interface where you what to develop on traditional Microsoft platforms and actually be able to print on a Microsoft network (my current issue in the office with my Mac) go Windows XP.
To all Windows users, all I can say is, don't mock a MAC until you have spent a couple hours multi-tasking through the operating system, its actually liberating and yes "It just works". Also I know mac users that are running parallels (running XP on a Mac along with OSX) that swear on a stack of bibles its more stable on a Intel-based Mac than a PC.
Your network admin probably hasn't installed or configured the print services extensions for mac if they're running windows server. lazy b@
Yeah they havent installed Apple talk! But the stupid printers dont have Apple drivers or something... one of the minor issues with using a Macbook on a windows network.... but thats it.
Its funny, its easier for me to connect to the office wireless network using my mac than a Vista machine... about 5 secs with a network key.... with Vista... we phone india for support, just kidding!