Microsoft or Apple?

Non-Windows compatibility

Care to give an example (that isn't a game)?

There are quite a few digital cameras, printers, cell phones, etc. that only have drivers for Windows. My phone for example syncs to outlook and can wire into my exchange server at work. I'm certain that someone, somewhere developed something that would work with Samba and the like, but I'm guaranteed that my phone works with Windows.

I can also stream media from my PC to my xBox360, which works great with my home theatre.

Some new Ford brands have added Microsoft Sync where you can control most of the devices with your voice - PLAY LINKIN PARK :).

If you're using a tablet PC, there's no better text recognition software than Microsoft's.

Microsoft has unvailed surface computing, which introduces a whole new way of interacting with a PC.

Microsofties can rest assured that we'll always have the most cutting edge technology that adhere to standards.:cool:
 
Having to pay an additional premium to get the same as XP performance in my book
is a downgrade and worthy of a LAMENESS award towards M$.

Haha and people are happily upgrading to XP from Vista OEM'ed
machines and paying for it. XP just is enough until MS
ships a UNIX clone.

Here is the quote for all you Vista heads:

"Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." --Henry Spencer

Firstly, XP wouldn't run faster with modern processors because it hasn't been designed for multiple core processors. It is a lighter operating system, therefore it wouldn't use as much system resources. Vista is capable of maximising your system resources giving you true value for money. So essentially performance isn't the same as you've stated, because more work is being done by Vista per CPU cycle as compared to XP. If you're using that sort of mentality to reason that XP is better than Vista, then you could also say that Windows 3.1 is better than XP.

You've got to be kidding me. Maybe you should try connecting your brain to your fingers so that you could write something with common sense. If Microsoft thought for a single moment that UNIX was a superior operating system, they would have worked in that direction a long time ago. I wonder why so many of those UNIX guys are trying so hard to get their hands on some Windows Code. It'll be like getting the recipe for Coca-Cola! Dream on losers.
 
Additional Premium

Having to pay an additional premium to get the same as XP performance in my book
is a downgrade and worthy of a LAMENESS award towards M$.

Haha and people are happily upgrading to XP from Vista OEM'ed
machines and paying for it. XP just is enough until MS
ships a UNIX clone.

Here is the quote for all you Vista heads:

"Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." --Henry Spencer

Firstly, XP wouldn't run faster with modern processors because it hasn't been designed for multiple core processors. It is a lighter operating system, therefore it wouldn't use as much system resources. Vista is capable of maximising your system resources giving you true value for money. So essentially performance isn't the same as you've stated, because more work is being done by Vista per CPU cycle as compared to XP. If you're using that sort of mentality to reason that XP is better than Vista, then you could also say that Windows 3.1 is better than XP.

You've got to be kidding me. Maybe you should try connecting your brain to your fingers so that you could write something with common sense. If Microsoft thought for a single moment that UNIX was a superior operating system, they would have worked in that direction a long time ago. I wonder why so many of those UNIX guys are trying so hard to get their hands on some Windows Code. It'll be like getting the recipe for Coca-Cola! Dream on losers.
 
After using my macbook for a week I can honestly say that I'm not interested with windows much, I'll still use it for gaming and work but I'm just tired of dealing with it.

Everything just works on my mac, also vlc player is much better on a mac as well(for me anyway)

A good example of how things just work is when I ripped Music videos off my DVD's yesterday.

Om my pc I had to install decryption software to recognize the DVD then I had to rip it with handbrake, but handbrake does not work as well as it does on a mac.

On my mac I just insert the DVD and handbrake easily ripped it without me having to do much, just select a preset and done, straight into MP4 including chapters load it into iTunes and onto my iPhone.

Also ubuntu flies on my macbook, easily setup using bootcamp and I use OSX's bootloader by holding option on boot.

:)
 
If Ubuntu ran my games, I would never go back to Windows.
 
If Ubuntu ran my games, I would never go back to Windows.

I agree totally...

but this will only be possible once Linux becomes universally standard, meaning one package built on any distro will just work 100% on any compatible linux using the same standard.

Gaming corporations will be building games for linux for sure once this becomes true.
 
You mean installation packages? Like .deb versus .rpm? Well, that's not such a big thing to get around, really.

And it is possible to just ignore the packages entirely. I installed Enemy Territory: Quake Wars on Ubuntu the other day and it worked perfectly. The installer was just a shell script, which should run on any version of Linux.
 
You mean installation packages? Like .deb versus .rpm? Well, that's not such a big thing to get around, really.

And it is possible to just ignore the packages entirely. I installed Enemy Territory: Quake Wars on Ubuntu the other day and it worked perfectly. The installer was just a shell script, which should run on any version of Linux.

Cool, I'm still new to linux and suspected that package incompatibility is holding back linux gaming.

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There are quite a few digital cameras, printers, cell phones, etc. that only have drivers for Windows. My phone for example syncs to outlook and can wire into my exchange server at work. I'm certain that someone, somewhere developed something that would work with Samba and the like, but I'm guaranteed that my phone works with Windows.

And a whole bunch of them just work by plugging them into a mac, no drivers required? Care to name some of the products you are referring to?

I can also stream media from my PC to my xBox360, which works great with my home theatre.

Sorta like the built in media library sharing in all macs, and the digital optical audio output standard on all macs giving you digital surround audio out? How about AppleTV?

Some new Ford brands have added Microsoft Sync where you can control most of the devices with your voice - PLAY LINKIN PARK :).

Remind me never to buy a FORD. It'll give BSOD a new meaning.:D

If you're using a tablet PC, there's no better text recognition software than Microsoft's.

You and other two people from Outer Mongolia still using tablet pc's. They never took off because the windows tablet pc edition is so useless.

Microsoft has unvailed surface computing, which introduces a whole new way of interacting with a PC.

But Apple is selling multi-touch devices by the million. There's a big difference between conceiving something and actually getting it to market and adopted in droves by buyers.

Microsofties can rest assured that we'll always have the most cutting edge technology that adhere to standards.:cool:

Yeah like MS adheres to Webdav, or outlook adheres to iCalendar or IE adheres to HTML. Dream on.
 
Microsofties can rest assured that we'll always have the most cutting edge technology that adhere to standards.:cool:

If Microsoft thought for a single moment that UNIX was a superior operating system, they would have worked in that direction a long time ago. I wonder why so many of those UNIX guys are trying so hard to get their hands on some Windows Code. It'll be like getting the recipe for Coca-Cola! Dream on losers.

You must be a comedian. You gave me a good laugh.
 
I love those comments.. its great.

Maverick_Nick : You do know that MS is working towards a Unix like OS in terms of stability and security and speed.

As for the cutting edge technology adhering to standards?... please thats such a laugh. I'm an MS certified professional, and use MS products everywhere and they create their own proprietary "standards" more often than adhering to industry standards.
 
Technically no, it is BSD, which is a UNIX like Linux is a UNIX, so by derivation caused by lack of sleep you could call is a Linux.

If you mean no mention of Linux in the thread till now that also crossed my mind :-D

I have a almost month old 15" MBP which is relatively cheap for its spec, with Vista installed, and honestly the only time I boot Windows is when I need to do something on our corporate network, although most of the time I just use RDP or and ICA client. Biggest problem with most Mac's is they run freaking HOT. The MBP's are not good Laptops in that sense.
Err.. No, Linux is not UNIX. But OSX is UNIX.
 
Linux is a UNIX-type OS tho... just like BSD is a UNIX type OS is it not?
 
Microsofties can rest assured that we'll always have the most cutting edge technology that adhere to standards.:cool:

LOL! Omw. You, sir, need an education! Ask any web designer how good MS follow standards. Ask any web designer how fun it is to get his website to work in IE6 and IE7.

Go check out Transact-SQL and how it breaks the original goal of what SQL should have been.

Do a quick Google search on Office 2007's Open XML file format. It's not as open as the name suggests...

Then we get to hardware. Look at the XBox 360's hard drive. There's nothing "standard" about that thing! R1000 for a propriety 20GB hard drive!

These are but a few examples. There are hundreds more. MS do not support standards. They lock in customers with their propriety technology. That's why MS is a monopoly.
 
I love those comments.. its great.

Maverick_Nick : You do know that MS is working towards a Unix like OS in terms of stability and security and speed.

As for the cutting edge technology adhering to standards?... please thats such a laugh. I'm an MS certified professional, and use MS products everywhere and they create their own proprietary "standards" more often than adhering to industry standards.

ToxicBunny: That's such an idiotic thing to say, "MS is working towards a Unix like OS in terms of stability and security and speed." That's like saying a car maker is working towards fuel efficiency, safety and performance is simply copying another car maker! :)

I'm an MCPD, and perhaps I should restate the Microsoft is the standard. So perhaps it is everyone else whom should either adapt or die.

Lets face facts. There are only a few people in this world whom truly care about open source. The rest of them whom just say that they love open source actually love free stuff. The funny thing about business is that giving stuff away for free isn't feasible. Strange, I know! Now here's the kicker. Let's say that Linux takes off big time. The number of skilled Linux professionals would increase significantly. More companies would have skilled people on board and the requirement for support from campanies like Novell, Red Hat and the like would decrease until eventually putting them out of business. Essentially the Linux community would kill itself.

Proprietary = Longevity!
 
Let's say that Linux takes off big time. The number of skilled Linux professionals would increase significantly. More companies would have skilled people on board and the requirement for support from campanies like Novell, Red Hat and the like would decrease until eventually putting them out of business. Essentially the Linux community would kill itself.

You do know that Red Hat charges for support to cover such costs?
 
Lets face facts. There are only a few people in this world whom truly care about open source. The rest of them whom just say that they love open source actually love free stuff.
I'm one of them free stuff software lovers, as long as it works on Microsoft!
 
ToxicBunny: That's such an idiotic thing to say, "MS is working towards a Unix like OS in terms of stability and security and speed." That's like saying a car maker is working towards fuel efficiency, safety and performance is simply copying another car maker! :)

I'm an MCPD, and perhaps I should restate the Microsoft is the standard. So perhaps it is everyone else whom should either adapt or die.

Lets face facts. There are only a few people in this world whom truly care about open source. The rest of them whom just say that they love open source actually love free stuff. The funny thing about business is that giving stuff away for free isn't feasible. Strange, I know! Now here's the kicker. Let's say that Linux takes off big time. The number of skilled Linux professionals would increase significantly. More companies would have skilled people on board and the requirement for support from campanies like Novell, Red Hat and the like would decrease until eventually putting them out of business. Essentially the Linux community would kill itself.

Proprietary = Longevity!

You are an idiot.
 
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