Microsoft Surface tablet demand booming

ClintZA said:
I half expected this response. A little like the marketing mumbo jumbo that Apple are experts at... "retina" display... "lightning" adapter... blah blah blah. But let's not turn this into an Apple fanboy against the rest of the world thread again.
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I don't know if you noticed but I'm pretty positive about the Surface in most aspects. There's talk of a Surface Pro with a fHD resolution which will also be pretty promising. Dude.. resolution is a pretty big deal on a tablet. I can hardly use the iPad2 anymore because it's so low res. 1344 doesn't cut it, and they're trying to talk around it.
 
cerebus said:
I don't know if you noticed but I'm pretty positive about the Surface in most aspects. There's talk of a Surface Pro with a fHD resolution which will also be pretty promising. Dude.. resolution is a pretty big deal on a tablet. I can hardly use the iPad2 anymore because it's so low res. 1344 doesn't cut it, and they're trying to talk around it.
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Maybe it's because MS are right and your eyes have become less sensitive... I am in the school of thought where, once you get beyond a certain resolution, the human eye will actually battle to detect the difference. The DPI race has become like the MP camera race.

I'm sure I've read some complaints somewhere, slightly unrelated to this, where iPhone users have complained about needing to zoom into webpages because the the resolution.
 
cerebus said:
I also know how to talk 'marketing jargon mumbo jumbo'. Give me a break. They compromised on the screen resolution and now they're finding ways to sidestep it.
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Go to a crApple store.
Find a "rEtina dIsplay" mAcbook.
Open Excel.
Go to the mAcbook sitting next to it.
Open Excel.
Tell me which is easier to read.

:eek:! How can a normal display be superior to a crApple[SUP]TM[/SUP] mArketing[SUP]TM[/SUP] gImmick[SUP]TM[/SUP]? Easy: high pixel densities are for specialised applications (GIS, etc.), marketing and maybe photogs. For everything else, the small size or interpolation makes high pixel densities deleterious.

Microsoft's tablet will obviously sell better than crApple's. crApple sits at about 10% market share in everything they do (because 10% of people are idiots and posers). Once Microsoft launches its competitor, it naturally grabs the other 90%.
 
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cerebus said:
I don't know if you noticed but I'm pretty positive about the Surface in most aspects. There's talk of a Surface Pro with a fHD resolution which will also be pretty promising. Dude.. resolution is a pretty big deal on a tablet. I can hardly use the iPad2 anymore because it's so low res. 1344 doesn't cut it, and they're trying to talk around it.
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Thats the thing you can't even have a decent discussion without some fool coming in and trying to stir up a flamewar.
 
Maybe it's because MS are right and your eyes have become less sensitive... I am in the school of thought where, once you get beyond a certain resolution, the human eye will actually battle to detect the difference. The DPI race has become like the MP camera race.
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My eyes are highly sensitive to display quality actually, and pixellation is a big part of that (not the only thing - colour gamut, saturation, white levels, and so forth all play an important role, so if MS have really pulled one out of the hat with the display quality it could go some way to compensate; but then again the iPad3's screen is exceptionally good even without the PPI being so high). I think I have excellent short-range vision or something, or I just spend a lot of time (upwards of 2hrs a day) reading on an iPad screen close up. It's why I ended up getting the Nexus 7 because it approaches the retina level. Now I'm also intrigued to see how this 1080p Shart IGZO display looks on a real phone. Oh but wait I'm an iSheep so I actually don't care do I?

Drunkard #1 said:
Go to a crApple store.
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Listening to myself talk some more
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My goodness what a tedious windbag you are.
 
Fudzy said:
Yeah, nothing more appealing than a lower resolution screen, a lot less apps and I'm guessing, crap battery life. That keyboard does look awesome though.
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Well the lower res part is apparently not noticeable because of some new display tech regarding planes,and the lot less apps wont be valid for very long since new windows 8 apps will be easily portable across all three formats.

As for the battery life where did you pull that negative assumption out from without tests?:confused:
 
Toitjie said:
Cause he most likely isn't an average Joe who doesn't know how to work the internet :P
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Thanks for the sarcastic retort. Please tell us how it works then ? Do you order it in the UK and then get it shipped to SA - would that not make it even more expensive ? Can this be done using http://surface.microsoftstore.com and which 3rd party (i.e. https://www.forward2me.com/ ) would you then use to ship it from the UK to SA ?
 
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cerebus said:
My eyes are highly sensitive to display quality actually, and pixellation is a big part of that (not the only thing - colour gamut, saturation, white levels, and so forth all play an important role, so if MS have really pulled one out of the hat with the display quality it could go some way to compensate; but then again the iPad3's screen is exceptionally good even without the PPI being so high). I think I have excellent short-range vision or something, or I just spend a lot of time (upwards of 2hrs a day) reading on an iPad screen close up. It's why I ended up getting the Nexus 7 because it approaches the retina level. Now I'm also intrigued to see how this 1080p Shart IGZO display looks on a real phone. Oh but wait I'm an iSheep so I actually don't care do I?
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Yip, I am obviously on the other end of the scale though as I never see the pixels and lag and what not that others always refer to. Perhaps I just do not know what I am looking for. I have read that some say the text on an SGS3 is jagged and terrible. I use mine all the time to access forums, peruse the web and read ebooks and am yet to find fault. Maybe I am just too easy to please.

If it meant a slightly lower res screen, which I am incapable of perceiving a difference with, and as a result a lot cheaper price then I am all in. Of course it would be great to have one device that won every single "mine is bigger/faster" than yours contest but you'd be paying out your ass for it.
 
ClintZA said:
Yip, I am obviously on the other end of the scale though as I never see the pixels and lag and what not that others always refer to. Perhaps I just do not know what I am looking for. I have read that some say the text on an SGS3 is jagged and terrible. I use mine all the time to access forums, peruse the web and read ebooks and am yet to find fault. Maybe I am just too easy to please.
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Well I mean I can get by obviously with less, but what's the point of that? Not sure about the SGS3 business though.. I haven't really used one but it sounds more like an Android issue with sub-pixel AA or something.
Uh.. seems like Android doesn't even use subpixel AA... or am I wrong?

If it meant a slightly lower res screen, which I am incapable of perceiving a difference with, and as a result a lot cheaper price then I am all in. Of course it would be great to have one device that won every single "mine is bigger/faster" than yours contest but you'd be paying out your ass for it.
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Surface is identically priced to iPad, sans snazzy case. So for the same price it really needs to have the same specs, especially since iPad is the incumbent here.
 
It's easy to say the resolution doens't need to be high if you're not used to a high res display, going backwards though the difference is very noticeable.

The Pro version looks like a winner but I think it's going to cost a fair bit more than the RT version.

With regards to battery, the information I got from this Windows fanboy site:

http://www.winsupersite.com/article...rface-rt-pro-specifications-comparison-144545

Battery

Surface RT: 31.5 Wh

Surface Pro: 42 Wh
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The new iPad's Wh is 42.5 and it's not as good as it used to be.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5663/analysis-of-the-new-apple-ipad/3

Then again, comparing this to tablets it unfair. I see Microsoft are trying to distance themselves from being compared to other tablets (probably in fear of being sued by Apple :D)

http://www.hindustantimes.com/techn...ook-it-s-a-new-device/SP-Article1-946406.aspx
 
Then again, comparing this to tablets it unfair. I see Microsoft are trying to distance themselves from being compared to other tablets (probably in fear of being sued by Apple :D)
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Well they did release the tablet to the world a good few years before Apple so I doubt thats it at all.
 
falcon786 said:
Well they did release the tablet to the world a good few years before Apple so I doubt thats it at all.
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I'm not clued up on microsoft tablet but which did they have out prior to 1993?
 
cerebus said:
Poor mewling stillborn that it was, should never have seen the light. Shame :(
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Yes the tech wasnt ready at the time so microsoft was thinking too far ahead at the time....in fact the ipad was just a compromise rather than a proper tablet since its just like android tablets i.e big phones.

The surface pro especially will be a proper tablet pc and the tech now enables that.
bwana said:
I'm not clued up on microsoft tablet but which did they have out prior to 1993?
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ipad was released in 1993 ?I'm not with you now..... :wtf:
 
falcon786 said:
ROFLMAO that was a PDA dude get of it already with your Apple tinted spectacles.:D
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History lesson - The then Apple CEO John Sculley coined the term PDA, they could have just as easily called it a tablet. ;)

English lesson - off, not of. :)
Fudzy said:
Tablets and PDAs are both touch screen devices, no? Not sure if the Newton was the first.
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Never said it was the first, I just wanted to know which microsoft tablets preceded it. :)
 
bwana said:
History lesson - The then Apple CEO John Sculley coined the term PDA, they could have just as easily called it a tablet. ;)

English lesson - off, not of. :)Never said it was the first, I just wanted to know which microsoft tablets preceded it. :)
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I wasn't sayings you did. I wasn't sure, I remembers seeing the original Surface video years ago but it was a table top system.
 
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